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    Posted: 09/22/2014 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

YEO is good. It has a walnut top ply I believe. Doesn't splinter at all since it comes presealed by manufacturer. Great blade nonetheless, might feel a bit stiff and hard at first. I had the JTTAA version one.

Handle is super comfy in FL and for the price its a good bargain.


Yes, read these things in the reviews so I was inclined towards it, plus a mod recommended it as well so I got intrigued towards it more :P

Does it say jttaa anywhere on your blade, I doubt mine is that one or else it should have said that in the description right? And I'm sure jttaa version would have costed a bit more as well since it's more popular :P


It should have a burn print on the side of the handle "JTTAA" for jap version +... a plastic logo on the bottom of the handle??? (not sure)

I may be wrong as models change year to year, mine was about 3 years old and I sold it a while ago.

*edit I might have had the euro version since my didn't have the JTTAA stamp. Nonetheless its a great blade. Too bad I sold mine a while ago. Originally bought it from megaspin.net

Edited by DreiZ - 09/22/2014 at 9:47pm
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Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:


i would say its good for loop and counterloop but for short game its challlenging

I used it when I was a much worse player so maybe I would change my mind today, but the blade I had just didn't have a consistent sweet spot  and was low throw.  Maybe if I had put Tenergy on it, I might have liked it, but Baracuda didn't help me love the blade either.

IMHO, the feeling of dwell is helpful to an older learning player.  However, most learning players like hard contact (it feels like more solid directional hitting) until they learn to loop or are forced to try to do soft short pushes where they need to relax and feel the ball.  If/when they learn to loop (which is much easier than developing extremely soft touch, IMO), they then see the value in dwell/feedback for figuring out how to modify their strokes.


Edited by NextLevel - 09/22/2014 at 6:46pm
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Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

in japan acoustic used to be the most popular for men and violin for women. then it became tb alc for men, if zlf for women. now we're seeing a lot of mizutani and if zlc, but if alc and tb alc are still very popular. i'd say tb alc is the most popular men's blade globally. i've played viscaria for several yrs under several coaches' recommendation and i've tried a few tb alc including some pros'. i like it a lot and if not playing vis, i'd be using tb alc


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

Its a good 5 ply blade. Best 5ply for me. But it plays different from an alc tho.. anyway what blade/rubber were you using before?

Yeah I know it's not a carbon one but I thought since it's OFF and has koto outer ply, it should still be an upgrade from my previous blade which was Ma Lin Soft Carbon.

Already ordered it alongwith Rakza 9 for FH and Rakza 7 soft for BH from tt11

Should be here in two weeks , can't waitEmbarrassed

YEO doesn't have a Koto outer ply unless things have changed.

You might like the blade, but I decided that it was a challenging blade for players without mature strokes.  I would have bought the Stratus Powerwood or Force Pro instead.

i would say its good for loop and counterloop but for short game its challlenging
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Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

YEO isn't that much a step up. and the jttaa version's construction is different. most ppl like that one.

i would have also gone with power wood. quite cheap and really good for the $

Ordered whatever version tt11 had, they said it's 90g and pre-sealed which kind of caught my attention, so don't know if it's jttaa version or not.

Among other things, I didn't like the power wood handle to be honest Embarrassed

thats kinda heavy for a YEO most of the YEO ive tried ranges from 83-86 grams
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Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

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That says it all.
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

YEO is good. It has a walnut top ply I believe. Doesn't splinter at all since it comes presealed by manufacturer. Great blade nonetheless, might feel a bit stiff and hard at first. I had the JTTAA version one.

Handle is super comfy in FL and for the price its a good bargain.

Yes, read these things in the reviews so I was inclined towards it, plus a mod recommended it as well so I got intrigued towards it more :P

Does it say jttaa anywhere on your blade, I doubt mine is that one or else it should have said that in the description right? And I'm sure jttaa version would have costed a bit more as well since it's more popular :P
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Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

YEO isn't that much a step up. and the jttaa version's construction is different. most ppl like that one.

i would have also gone with power wood. quite cheap and really good for the $

Ordered whatever version tt11 had, they said it's 90g and pre-sealed which kind of caught my attention, so don't know if it's jttaa version or not.

Among other things, I didn't like the power wood handle to be honest Embarrassed


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YEO is good. It has a walnut top ply I believe. Doesn't splinter at all since it comes presealed by manufacturer. Great blade nonetheless, might feel a bit stiff and hard at first. I had the JTTAA version one.

Handle is super comfy in FL and for the price its a good bargain.

Edited by DreiZ - 09/22/2014 at 4:06pm
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YEO isn't that much a step up. and the jttaa version's construction is different. most ppl like that one.

i would have also gone with power wood. quite cheap and really good for the $


Edited by kurokami - 09/22/2014 at 3:59pm
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

Its a good 5 ply blade. Best 5ply for me. But it plays different from an alc tho.. anyway what blade/rubber were you using before?

Yeah I know it's not a carbon one but I thought since it's OFF and has koto outer ply, it should still be an upgrade from my previous blade which was Ma Lin Soft Carbon.

Already ordered it alongwith Rakza 9 for FH and Rakza 7 soft for BH from tt11

Should be here in two weeks , can't waitEmbarrassed

YEO doesn't have a Koto outer ply unless things have changed.

You might like the blade, but I decided that it was a challenging blade for players without mature strokes.  I would have bought the Stratus Powerwood or Force Pro instead.

Sorry I meant to say it has a harder top ply Embarrassed

Have not played with Tibhar before, Yasaka I have tried already and love the feel of their blades and the comfy flared handles, so decided not to move too far from that comfort :P

Anyways, will let you guys know if I like the new setup or not in about a month :)

Thanks again everyone!
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Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

Its a good 5 ply blade. Best 5ply for me. But it plays different from an alc tho.. anyway what blade/rubber were you using before?

Yeah I know it's not a carbon one but I thought since it's OFF and has koto outer ply, it should still be an upgrade from my previous blade which was Ma Lin Soft Carbon.

Already ordered it alongwith Rakza 9 for FH and Rakza 7 soft for BH from tt11

Should be here in two weeks , can't waitEmbarrassed

YEO doesn't have a Koto outer ply unless things have changed.

You might like the blade, but I decided that it was a challenging blade for players without mature strokes.  I would have bought the Stratus Powerwood or Force Pro instead.


Edited by NextLevel - 09/22/2014 at 3:26pm
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Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

Its a good 5 ply blade. Best 5ply for me. But it plays different from an alc tho.. anyway what blade/rubber were you using before?

Yeah I know it's not a carbon one but I thought since it's OFF and has koto outer ply, it should still be an upgrade from my previous blade which was Ma Lin Soft Carbon.

Already ordered it alongwith Rakza 9 for FH and Rakza 7 soft for BH from tt11

Should be here in two weeks , can't waitEmbarrassed
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Its a good 5 ply blade. Best 5ply for me. But it plays different from an alc tho.. anyway what blade/rubber were you using before?
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Thanks for the help guys I decided to go with YEO instead, will first improve my game and then see if I really need to spend $100+ on a blade :P
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I switched from TB ALC to Xiom Zetro Quad which I found to be almost the same but a) the handle was much better on the ZQ and b) a tad slower w/more dwell (I think) and thus more control and c) cheaper by far to buy (full disclosure: I'm selling one now over in For Sale for the low, low price of...Wink)
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Yes an all wood blade may be cheaper and provide better ball feeling. TBS is stronger and has a larger sweet spot. Any blade can be tuned up or down with the correct rubber/ thickness. Finding the correct blade class for a certain style has in some cases a small overlap. Allround style can vary from Def+ to even OFF class blades. I recommend ALL+ all wood blade for peace of mind. In my opinion the ALL+ class has the most gears to play a formidable allround style. Don't forget Colestt for great prices and advice.
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by Ndragon88 Ndragon88 wrote:

<span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Both the TBS and TB ALC are great blades. I preferred the TBS purely because of the feel. Tried both but personally felt they are too fast for me and didn't really suit my allround game.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Wouldn't be making a bad choice if you got either one. Just hope it suits your game, coz they are expensive LOL


Put some good "allround" rubber on your TBS like 1.9 Sriver or Mark V 1.8 or even Xiom Musa max and you have a fine solid setup to play allround style.

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Originally posted by Ndragon88 Ndragon88 wrote:

<span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Both the TBS and TB ALC are great blades. I preferred the TBS purely because of the feel. Tried both but personally felt they are too fast for me and didn't really suit my allround game.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Wouldn't be making a bad choice if you got either one. Just hope it suits your game, coz they are expensive LOL


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Both the TBS and TB ALC are great blades. I preferred the TBS purely because of the feel. Tried both but personally felt they are too fast for me and didn't really suit my allround game.
Wouldn't be making a bad choice if you got either one. Just hope it suits your game, coz they are expensive LOL
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Edit: Really though, just 10-15 grams heavier with better weight balance is enough to please me.


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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

What is better than an ALC?
 
TWO of them.

or, perhaps (for you, BH-Man sir), an ALC with twice the weight of a regular ALC? Smile
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What is better than an ALC?
 
TWO of them.
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in japan acoustic used to be the most popular for men and violin for women. then it became tb alc for men, if zlf for women. now we're seeing a lot of mizutani and if zlc, but if alc and tb alc are still very popular. i'd say tb alc is the most popular men's blade globally. i've played viscaria for several yrs under several coaches' recommendation and i've tried a few tb alc including some pros'. i like it a lot and if not playing vis, i'd be using tb alc
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It´s really hard to say which blade that is the best. It´s very individual, and also the combination between rubber and blade is important. Which rubber are you using? And have you ever tried the blade or have you just read that it is the best? However, it all comes down to personal preference in the end Smile
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Tb alc is great blade especially with 05 or 05 fx. For a higher quality blade with more control spin and feel the acoustic carbon is the best out there! Of course with 64 on the forehand to make up the loss in speed compared to tb alc.
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You really can't go wrong with a modern Butterfly ALC. TBS/TB ALC/Viscaria/Zhang Jike are all great blades for an intermediate-advanced player.
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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Better for what?     

Better for saving money?
Better for a 2400 level player that loops and blocks?
Better fit for LP
Better fit for T05 on both sides?

Better to make you feel better?

Nothing is better......it's only what works well for your level and ability and any specific time. 



second that.

+1 its a great blade. I chose it simply because its the newer model of the TBS with better colors. You cant go wrong with it. It will play great with all the tenergies and new tensors out there for all around offensive play. Its a good investment too if you plan on sticking with it for years and not ej around for another blade. You can always EJ with rubbers if you don't like something particular, and like I said before with the ALC, almost all modern rubbers will play great on it.

If you find it too fast - just put slower rubbers on it.
If you think the opposite - put faster rubbers on it.

look at it this way...

The best player in the world played with Timo Boll's blade for almost two years, that should mean something.

Edited by DreiZ - 09/20/2014 at 7:32pm
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Better for what?    

Better for saving money?
Better for a 2400 level player that loops and blocks?
Better fit for LP
Better fit for T05 on both sides?

Better to make you feel better?

Nothing is better......it's only what works well for your level and ability and any specific time. 


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