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PingPongHolic10
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Posted: 10/03/2014 at 11:49pm |
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Just received some Yinhe’s 40+ Plastic Balls. They are seamless!!!! Gotta say that I’m really excited about the quality & playability. They are hard just like Nittaku’s Premiums & Double Fish 3 Star Balls by pressing pretty hard against them. It has the ITTF APPROVED stamp on ball & box. Checked every single ball in the box of 6, and ALL of them are perfectly round. By bouncing next to the double fish & Nittaku Premium & a Palio Seamless they all have same consistent bounce height. Will put them in action next week & provide review… I will have them for sale once I receive within a week or two upon delivery. Stay tuned… Update: 10/11:Played with the Yinhe Poly Balls(YPB) for a week now. At first, it took some time to get adjusted to the bounce & feel. I was fairly comfortable with them after 3hours (1 Session). As mentioned in the XSF Poly Ball reviews, the YPB also plays very similar to Cell Balls. Sound is not distracting at all like the (broken sounds of) Palio PB I got or the Nittaku Seamed PB (paddlepalace). These Poly Balls don’t give the same feel you get from Cell Balls, or we just need time to get adjusted to them. During practice & gameplay, the ball seems like it’s lighter but you can still feel the heaviness (like the Nittaku Premiums & DoubleFish) when you hit it. Ball speed is slower, however, the bounce is very consistent. Some players I played games with didn’t really like the ball, especially a 3rd ball attacker from one of my vids. I was able to block off at least 80% of his 3rd balls where I would win most of those rallies after that. All-around ralliers would love these balls, I enjoyed very much that aspect of the game, especially against those SP penholders who like to stay super close table & block till you drop. I did notice some loss of spin in service, however return of service was easier on my end too. It will take some adjustment to get use to the bounce as some of intended shorts serves went long. Long pushes got too many points from unexpectantly dropping back on the table. Surprisingly, my loops were more consistent & even more spinnier. I felt it during gameplay where I can control my opponent with my topspin arsenal… bear in mind that these are similar level & better players than me. After 3 sessions this week, the ball endured some serious pounding. It has hit (hard hits) against concrete walls, steel lockers, metal barrier edges, foreheads, watches, smashed against the table with rackets & bared blades (because they didn’t like the ball=S). It’s still not broken yet!!! Even the best of best in Nittaku Premiums/Double Fish Cell Balls won’t stand a chance. In summary, I am super happy with these Yinhe Poly Balls. Great value for slightly lower price than XSF balls. They have far exceeded my expectations, & should take notable credits. So I was told by our Rep here that Yinhe distributed these as samples. He gave me two boxes, and I did order some for my own use. Update 11/20/2014: I've mentioned that these are SEAMLESS! However, I have noticed that it does have a small seam at about 1cm, cause that's how the balls get cracked. Balls have lasted me over a week each, except when it hit the seamed part of the ball. Even that, they don't break as dramatic as the Joola super plastics & Nittaku SHAs. I conclude that these are far superior than those, only thing that I played with that can compete against these are Nittaku Premium Japans. Altho, I am not sure about NPJ's durability as I only hit with them for a few minutes...I can say they are similar characteristics...consistent roundness & high bounce compare to other plastics.Edited by PingPongHolic10 - 11/20/2014 at 8:48am |
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Bring themm to Flushing Korean TT club next weekend and see if you win vs me again using them and Ur new ZX blade
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cole_ely
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I just got in 3 boxes of 6. Didn't get to try them tonight though. Will try them tuesday. As stated they are seamless.
I have some giant dragon seamed coming in for stock. I may end up carrying both. |
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I also got in 3 boxes, hehe
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Where do you buy them?
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LET'S LIVE AND SEE... Just communicated with a celebrity boy, Kirill Tarasenko 16yo, participant for Kazakhstam Noc at the Asian Game table tennis events. He confirmed that the ball in use was CHAMPION celluloid Korea-made. The ball to be scarcely found someplace on Europa-America market, but on Asian region markets only. I admire very much to see if XU Xin is good enough to gain a golden glory with hard plastic DHS as much as he did with celluloid mild-soft meterial. World Men's Cup oncoming next week would be an answer illustrious. . |
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I got mine too
I had a very brief hit with them. The bounce is good, actually slightly higher than a Double Fish celluloid! Spin is still significantly less than celluloid. Feel is a little hard. Dimensions are around 40.3mm, which is on the high side. Sound is only slightly different to celluloid. Roundness is not bad, but one ball was a little off. Roundness is similar to seamed plastic balls, while I expected they would be better. Not bad balls though, and they'll probably improve. |
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Yep, just like XSF. Nice high bounce, also a more consistent bounce. Much better than the seamed balls. However, maybe Yin He is getting the second tier balls they make? I have not had a roundness problem with an XSF labeled ball.
All of the polyballs are a little slower and less spin in the area, that's a size issue. As to whether they feel soft or hard, that is a really complex issue. |
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Hanno is now selling a seamless 40+ ball that is made in Germany, it appears to be the one made by Weener.
Rejoice, the Weener balls are here! http://shop.sport-schreiner-tt.de/dstore/Baelle-Zubehoer/28525/Hanno-***-Competition-40+--%28nahtlos%29.html?sid=1 |
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Doesn't it say made in prc on the box, people's republic of china
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haggisv
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Yes, when it says only "Germany" on the ball, not "made in Germany", you can be almost sure it's made in China. ttman is right, it does made "made in PRC"
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So I believe all Yinhe resellers has received these free balls.
BTW - I wasn't expecting them until TNT called me to informed that my parcel has arrived in customs and they will deliver the next morning. 2 years business with them and this is the first time I got this surprise. Maybe it got to do with me harrasing them about Big Dipper and no one stocking them lol I also got a sheet of Moon Speed (red 38) and Neptune (Red OX), not sure what they want me to do with those as I stock Moon Speed already and wonder if the Neptune is 40+ pips or not lol. And 2 reds....hm.... And they know I want a harder Big Dipper (I complain that 39 is way too soft, feels like 36) Edited by ZApenholder - 10/06/2014 at 4:05am |
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What's the pricing going to be? at least the ballpark? |
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Baal
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False alarm. Weener balls not yet here. |
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cole_ely
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All these are coming in ball park $2 a ball retail. My cost with shipping maybe $3 per box of 3. Maybe I'll go $6.50 per box or something.
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XSF is $11 for 6 balls from pingpong depot. That is a pretty good price but doesn't include shipping. When someone produces a seamed ball that approaches the performance of the seamless ones, I might consider them -- so far only Nittaku Premium in Japan.
http://www.pingpongdepot.com/jomvirtue/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=68550&category_id=17&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=64 |
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Coming back to Hanno Ball, the box says "designed in Germany, Manufactured in PRC". I wonder if this is something different than the XSF ball?
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cole_ely
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I'm kind of the opposite. from what I've seen the seamed plastic play better than the seamless.
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I'm with Cole here, seam is better than seamless Also the factory gets the balls ITTF approved. and if companies like Yinhe, Xiom, Butterfly etc orders balls from that factory, the balls get ITTF approved too - with the logo design This news was actually shared by ITTF few months ago. So this is also why you have so many approved 40+ balls on the listing. If i'm correct, there is 1 factory from Germany, 2 from China and 1 from Japan that is making these new polyballs |
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cole_ely
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The seamless bounce is truer. Perhaps it's just that sound...
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Nope. Seamed ball bounces too low and too erratically. The high bounce of the seamless ball is much closer to celluloid and makes the game much closer to celluloid. Play with them more, or better yet watch good players use them. You will see much less complaining about bad bounces.
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I have no doubt in my mind that the seamless plays better and lasts longer. You have more time to adjust to the ball with the higher and less erratic bounce.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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TAOBAO WILL FEED ALL THE MONEY MAKERS. I LIKE TAOBAO,
Would I get professionally engaged in plastic balls commerce, I could surely gain a huge profit from Taobao and become all lousy with money within a year or so. Unfortunately, I have now got much more family commitments to do. http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=39964783434 |
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Or you could find yourself stuck with a ton of balls that aren't round and lose your shirt. I know people who's had that happen.
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I order 120 Nittaku 40+ Premium from Japan 3 weeks ago is back order hope there ship out Oct 10.
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I only ordered three I hope to get them soon but if I like them a lot will stock up. The time I tried one of them it was very good, because it actually bounces reasonably high -- like celluloid and XSF seamless, and unlike any of the other plastic seamed balls. |
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Are these the Japan-made ones?
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Yes. They are very different from the Chinese ones -- well at least the one ball that I got to try.
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I got to play with the yinhe plastic a bit last night. Very different feel. The ball grabs the table like twice as much as I'm used to. Backspin is killed on the table and the ball sits up.
I'm sure they're as good (probably the same) as any of the seamed balls, but they sure do play differently. I couldn't play with them much because the guys in the club rebelled against them.
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