PPH's Yinhe 40+ Plastic Ball (SEAMLESS) Review

The DFish and DHS balls are very similar once you look past their size. I predict camphor.

DHS is holding on to their old manufacturing equipments with their dear life...lol
Just do the minimum needed (mix and match some celluloid w/ cheap plastic) to get past Adham...really not that hard if you can cough up the dough to sponsor all his major tourneys!

NextLevel wrote: Every time a seamless ball breaks the first time round someone who has not seen it before, it's headline news... for Chinese seamed, it's ho-hum news...

roundrobin wrote: JimT wrote: Yeah we have killed plenty of SHA and JOOLA plastic balls at our club. But yesterday I saw (for the first time) how XSF plastic ball was broken. A player hit it with the (rather sharp) edge of his racket, the ball then flew into the wall and when landed on the floor it had a big L-shaped crack (I'd say 1 cm x 1 cm in size) in it. That ball was brought to the club brand new 2 hours before and then it was constantly in play by a few of our most aggressive players. Did you have a sniff?  Some forum members are interested in knowing what it smell like...

I did. Really, nothing special, just a regular smell of plastic... but my sense of smell lately is not as good as it used to be

Baal wrote: I agree with the others that Chinese seamed balls almost certainly have some cellulose.  They should not be approved by ITTF as plastic balls, given their previous claims about a "worldwide ban on celluloid production".  Whatever they are adding to it isn't working. XSF and NP40+ are clearly quite distinct materials with very different behavior.  The plastic looks different, smells different, breaks differently, and plays differently (and those two are quite different from each other but both are quite good).

Baal wrote: Oops, meant to write celluloid.  I am aware of the difference! But it always pays to go to the patent.  So it probably has no celluloid at all.  (I still don't think the solvent was quite like camphor, but then again....). In any case, the plastics in XSF and NP40+ seem distinctly different (and also from each other).

I recently bought a box of Yinhe 40+ from tabletennisonly.com.  These balls are definitely more playable than the Chinese seemed variety.

Everything that PPH reported is the same for me.  The balls are very round and do not wobble when spun on the table.  Bounce is consistent. Much more playable than DHS, Nittaku SHA, Tibhar, Donic varieties.  Biggest thing to adjust to is that they jump up a little more than celluloid - just as everyone else has reported.  Will report back after hitting with it for a while to see if a "smoother ball" plays any different.


Edited by Jeff(ATTC) - 01/21/2015 at 5:46pm

PingPongHolic10 wrote: Unfortunately, our rec centers have been breaking the Yinhe Seamless balls in the same rate as celluloid recently.  It's same as reported by other members that the breaks come from hitting the sides of the rackets.  & never a hard hit against metal barriers, & lockers... Also been reported slightly wobbly balls in the boxes=(.

It still seems to be an improvement over the DHS, SHA, Tibhar etc. balls!

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You are right Jeff!  I hate the crazy bounces of the DHS, SHA & DF balls.  Yinhe balls are for sure better than most in the market so far, consistent bounce.

j-bo wrote: You must have gorilla players.

And we are not talking about attempted smashes that hit the edge of their rackets=S
I still get a few that would last me at least 1 week=)



Edited by PingPongHolic10 - 01/22/2015 at 11:51pm

Make sure it is an ITTF approved ball. The wobble on the unapproved seamless balls is very annoying.

CELLULOID STILL WELL AND ALIVE

Double Fish *** celuloid is now on sale $0.45 a piece from a Russian local trader.     The most popular ball brand with our domestic folks so far.

40 DF*** all-time most reputable celuloid creature for lasting hours and hours undamadged.
The ball still available from a DF china factory branch in plenty. People still prefer the celuloid far better.,
No decrease of celuloid stock and supply is supposed so far. The usual celuloid forming machinery is still working on and on, at full producive capacity .   Why do factories keep up production of balls of celuloid as much as before?   They still go on forming balls in full swing with celuloid. Why so?

Is Sharara has got the idea to revert back to the regular celluloid material some later day ?   who knows...
    

Just had a session with a friend and we played between DF plastic balls and the XSF balls. We both noticed that the DF seemed balls maintain similar spins like the regular celluloid balls, but the ball loose speed faster than the regular balls. The XSF balls bounce the closer to the regular balls and it doesn't loose speed like the DF balls. But the XSF balls don't maintain the spin as much. So the balls it relatively easier to block and loop to loop is similar to regular balls minus the spins.

If ITTF's goal is to have more rallies, then the seamless XSF balls should be used. But so far, we have more tournaments (well at least in the US) that use the seemed plastic balls then seemless. But the seemed balls break so easily. We will see how this play out in the end...

Perhaps your Big Dipper which can generate good spin.. :)

Baal wrote: Jeff(ATTC) wrote: From last night's play, I noticed that players that like to use side-spin really liked the balls.  From my end they kicked more than celluloid...   Yes, they do that, kick to the side more.  Also, on pushes, they tend to stand up a bit more.  It's almost as if with larger balls with good bounce, some of the energy on the spin causes the ball to jump when it hits the table, but then less spin remains on the ball when it hits the opponent's racket.  I don't know if that is what is really happening but that is how it seems.  Or maybe it is the surface texture of the ball, which is quite rough with the seamless balls.

Ball have you noticed any differences in play with the seamless with some of the older balls?  Do they play better when they get smoother?

Thanks cole, I only have ~3-4 playing hours on these Yinhe balls.