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Size Sweet spot. Me too interested in this topic. Szlc>zlc>alc: it's true?? There is a blade with equal size of sweet spot? 

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Actually I am thinking about buying a JM SZLC too. I liked everything about the performance of ZJK SZLC, looping, blocking, handle, everything except the feel. To me it fels soft and hollow. I like the hard feel of ALC or ZLC, but the super ZLC felt like a frikking styrofoam blade, and it bothered me so much that I sold the blade despite having excellent results with it. Does the MJ SZLC feel better and firmer by any chance? Anyone had them both?
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I've had both (not simultaneously though. Yes, the MJSZLC is harder. If you've played with the MJ ZLC, it feels a lot like that except that it is stiffer, bouncier & more powerful.
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thanks. ima get one, though I am 100% happy with TB ALC.
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

Actually I am thinking about buying a JM SZLC too..... I like the hard feel of ALC or ZLC, but. Does the MJ SZLC feel better and firmer by any chance? Anyone had them both?


I have both blades with the same rubbers (T05 fh & T64 bh).  If you like the hard feel then I would go with JM SZLC.  Both of them are very good blades for looping, blocking; however, JM has a little more power compare to ZJK when you play away from the table and it is also very good for smashing. 
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I play with MSZLC for now. I find it great, just two details could make me change : I could like a blade just a little less stiff, and slightly lighter. Is ZJK SZLC lighter and less stiff than MZLC ? Are they equally good for the first attack ? I don't want to lose spin if I switch to ZJK SZLC from MZLC.
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

thanks. ima get one, though I am 100% happy with TB ALC.


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Hands down MJ SZLC!
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Originally posted by gromousse gromousse wrote:

I play with MSZLC for now. I find it great, just two details could make me change : I could like a blade just a little less stiff, and slightly lighter. Is ZJK SZLC lighter and less stiff than MZLC ? Are they equally good for the first attack ? I don't want to lose spin if I switch to ZJK SZLC from MZLC.


You should try a ZLF blade or what they're moving towards...a "PRO" ZLF blade :)
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Going back to the original question Szlc blades clearly have a bigger sweet spot. Concerning I also feel more comfortable with a stiff and fast blade whenever I have the right position and timing. But when I am not accurate a slower and more flexible blade is more forgiving. Also it's true that this kind of blade gives easier blocks to your opponent. It's also true that if a blade is too fast you will have a hard time to control it.

Anyway I think that changing from an acoustic to Szlc blade it's too much of a jump in speed.

My recommandations if you want an acoustic with bigger sweet spot, good blocking and good control:

Acoustic carbon
barwell
barwell fleet
kasumi special
Vega Pro

These are all faster than acoustic but not as fast and stiff as Szlc blades. The strength of the Szlc blades is that they are very accurate. When your technique is perfectly correct they respond with the perfect results. On the other hand they are not forgiving meaning as soon as you make a small mistake the ball does not land on the table.

I used to play JM zlc last season than switched to JM Szlc at the beginning of this season. Now I play with the Xiom Vega Pro. The difference is very clear. The Vega Pro is less accurate but much more forgiving. Result is that more of my shots land on the table especially in blocking and counter looping. Also its flexibility makes it easier to do slow spinny loops compared to JM Szlc.

Difference in results was immediate. My rating is about 2500 in France. With the JM Szlc on my 2nd team game I lost a player rated around 2300 and on my 3rd team game with JM zlc I lost a player rayed around 2450. On my 4th team game using the vega Pro I won against one player rated 2690, one 2570 and almost won against one 2550.

So my suggestion is to get a blade which is fast with a great sweet spot but still quite forgiving.

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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by Luca abbatiello Luca abbatiello wrote:

The ability of producers is not to create too much difference speed/control. If I increase the Speed, I decrease control in general. The technological development (or marketing development!!!!!!!) improves this relationship, but we cannot do miracles. A more slow blade should be more control...


OK, that's a reasonable description. I think a lot of people would agree with that. Unfortunately, not everyone will. I know some forum users who think that the Boll ZLC is the ultimate in control, despite it being one of the fastest blades on the market.

I don't want to derail your thread - just be aware that many people have different ideas of what "control" means, and you should factor that in when reading the replies.

What OFF+ blade is the most forgiving ?
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

What OFF+ blade is the most forgiving ?


Is this question for me specifically?
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Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

My rating is about 2500 in France. 

Whaou, gratz man. You are certainly the best player of the forum :D You semi-pro ?
I'm testing xiom Hayabusa Zxi with ZephiliumxCarbon like Vega Pro blade : thats definitely a great composite. 


Edited by vivan4tt - 11/13/2014 at 6:03am
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ttping85: Looks like you've found your preferred setup!

Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:


With the JM Szlc on my 2nd team game I lost a player rated around 2300 and on my 3rd team game with JM zlc I lost a player rayed around 2450. On my 4th team game using the vega Pro I won against one player rated 2690, one 2570 and almost won against one 2550.


How many days apart were these games?
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:


ttping85: Looks like you've found your preferred setup!

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Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

</span><br style="line-height: 11.1999998092651px;"><span style="line-height: 11.1999998092651px;">With the JM Szlc on my 2nd team game I lost a player rated around 2300 and on my 3rd team game with JM zlc I lost a player rayed around 2450. On my 4th team game using the vega Pro I won against one player rated 2690, one 2570 and almost won against one 2550.</span><br style="line-height: 11.1999998092651px;"><span style="line-height: 11.1999998092651px;">
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How many days apart were these games?


It was 3 weeks between each team game.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

What OFF+ blade is the most forgiving ?


Is this question for me specifically?

any who can answer in their humble opinion
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

What OFF+ blade is the most forgiving ?


Is this question for me specifically?


any who can answer in their humble opinion


Hmmm. Don't want to get too off-topic, but "most forgiving" means different things to different people too IMO.

My personal example is this. When I use OFF+ blades, I struggle more with touch play over the table than in other areas of the game. I tend to adjust my play when using FAST blades - I move further away from the table, and try to stay mobile. So I've always found that the most forgiving OFF+ blades have lower-speed low gears. I've used a few like that over the years, but the best experience I had was with the Nexy Qabod.

But the Qabod is not a linear blade, so others may find this unforgiving, and I would totally understand their point of view.
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Here's a comparison video:

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Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

Going back to the original question Szlc blades clearly have a bigger sweet spot. Concerning I also feel more comfortable with a stiff and fast blade whenever I have the right position and timing. But when I am not accurate a slower and more flexible blade is more forgiving. Also it's true that this kind of blade gives easier blocks to your opponent. It's also true that if a blade is too fast you will have a hard time to control it.

Anyway I think that changing from an acoustic to Szlc blade it's too much of a jump in speed.

My recommandations if you want an acoustic with bigger sweet spot, good blocking and good control:

Acoustic carbon
barwell
barwell fleet
kasumi special
Vega Pro

These are all faster than acoustic but not as fast and stiff as Szlc blades. The strength of the Szlc blades is that they are very accurate. When your technique is perfectly correct they respond with the perfect results. On the other hand they are not forgiving meaning as soon as you make a small mistake the ball does not land on the table.

I used to play JM zlc last season than switched to JM Szlc at the beginning of this season. Now I play with the Xiom Vega Pro. The difference is very clear. The Vega Pro is less accurate but much more forgiving. Result is that more of my shots land on the table especially in blocking and counter looping. Also its flexibility makes it easier to do slow spinny loops compared to JM Szlc.

Difference in results was immediate. My rating is about 2500 in France. With the JM Szlc on my 2nd team game I lost a player rated around 2300 and on my 3rd team game with JM zlc I lost a player rayed around 2450. On my 4th team game using the vega Pro I won against one player rated 2690, one 2570 and almost won against one 2550.

So my suggestion is to get a blade which is fast with a great sweet spot but still quite forgiving.



Hi ttping85,

Do you mind to tell me what is the weight of your Vega Pro?    What i can find is quite light around 82-83g.. but i prefer something heavier.  And where do you buy it?  THanks.
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