I have not heard that Tibhar MX-P has been banned by ITTF. Open up a package and it smells strongly like Dandoy Biobooster. I'm not sure where Igorponger read this. Again, the reason ITTF banned VOC solvents in glue was for safety.
Hard to see why they even care about boosters.
same with rakza9 smell the same like trf dandoy booster but its hard to believe a pro is gonna play with rakza 9
Maybe not but there are quite a few pros in Europe playing with Evolution rubbers.
(Baal) Berndt, you are an idiot. I am sorry it comes to this. But that is the case.
Because if you take the point of view that factories can't do it because it entails a "physical, chemical or other treatment", then the problem is that everything the factories do in the manufacturing of the rubber would be illegal. Every step they take in the manufacturing of the rubber is a physical, chemical, or other treatment. When does one decide that the rubber itself has completed the manufacturing process?
(Baal again) And, the latest ITTF List of Approved Racket Coverings (LARC) from September of this year includes Tibhar Evolution MX-P, which for anyone who has ever used it, is pretty much the epitome of a factory-boosted rubber. Anyone who has ever opened a pack of that rubber, or has ever sniffed Dandoy booster would know that smell in one second,
(B. Mann) Obviously, you insolent twit, at least one factory, that factory which manufactures Tibhar Evolution Evolution MX-P, does, in your own considered scientific opinion, manufacture "pretty much the epitome of a factory boosted rubber". Was Sriver "pretty much the epitome of a factory boosted rubber"? Yasaka Cobra? Mark V? Does any player really need to use Dandoy booster, or any other booster for that matter?
I did not just get off a banana boat, metaphorically speaking. I know damn well that manufacturing table tennis rubbers entails physical, chemical, or other treatment(s).
The question at hand, though, is, is igorponger suffering from delerium tremens, simply delusional, or just a plain barefaced liar when he posted that as of August 1, 2017, the ITTF would no longer permit factory boosted/tuned rubbers? I don't know the answer to that question, as I indicated on my last post on this subject. Nor do I know, as I also indicated, from what ITTF source his claim came from.
Nor do I know why he would, as I have posted, unless he is a drunk, suffering from premature dementia, or a lying sack of (expletive deleted), have made the post that he made. His reputation is at stake, as is your own if you accuse a fellow member in print of this table tennis forum without definitive proof of being a falling down flat-ass quivering drunk.
Edited by berndt_mann - 09/12/2017 at 4:05pm
bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber
Of course they all boost. Anyone who played in the speed-glue era can hear the difference between a boosted and unboosted racket. I think it was Henzell who said something like the CNT's rackets were all noisy but Ma Lin's sounded like a gunshot. (This is not to single out the CNT, other top teams boost too).
Another way of looking at it is that some top atheletes in any given sport will cheat with stuff that is detectable but they try to get away with it e.g. by taking small doses, timing it so that it is likely to be undetectable by the time they are tested, strapping tubes connected to clean urine to their privates etc. Armstrong loved to say that he was the most tested athlete in history. Imagine how many sprinters would be clean if steroids were undetectable.
(Baal) As for Igor, he writes a lot of stuff here that could only come from somebody in the fits of delirium tremens. (Funny too that you are willing to accept his word because he is an umpire, because previously you were unwilling to accept the rulings of ITTF umpires qualified to work international matchesas to the legality of serves.
(B. Mann) According to a check of the ITTF list of certified International Umpires as of 2016, Igor Novick's name was not on that eleven page list. He was not a certified International Umpire, and I am now skeptical as to whether he was ever a Certified International Umpire.
Igor Novick's reputation if indeed he was ever a certified International Umpire is tarnished. I hope that he has an explanation for deceiving me, admittedly gullible in initially acceptiing his word concerning the banning of factory boosted/tuned rubbers as of August 1st of this year, as well as others who read his post.
Igor Novick is deceitful unless he can cite a credible source from the International Table Tennis Federation to support his claim.
Whether or not Igor Novick suffers from fits of delerium tremens is a question that you are not qualified to diagnose from cyberspace as you are not a physician, and while, since I am the epitome of a courteous Tucsonan I would not go so far as to call you an idiot for your conjecture based on his posts of igorponger's penchant for consumption of alcoholic beverages, I will say that that is bloody cheeky of you. A deceiver, unless he can prove otherwise, certainly.
As for qualified International Umpires and the legality of serves, this issue becomes a matter of faith inasmuch as qualified International Umpires very very seldom call any international player's serve, male or female, illegal. We just have to accept their word for that, don't we?
Edited by berndt_mann - 09/11/2017 at 12:38am
bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber
So why are Baal and Berndt fighting? I mean, is this conversation meaningful in any way, or just throwing rocks at each other?
Facts:
1. ITTF chose to make boosting illegal. People can choose to agree or disagree with the decision, or to challenge their reasoning, but it's a waste of time. I went through that with their switch from celluloid to poly; they don't care about and are not influenced by our opinions.
2. Most professionals boost anyway, but if ITTF made a rule against boosting, then they're probably looking for a way to enforce that rule.
As an aside: the argument about whether lower rated players should boost is as old as the advent of speed glue. It's going to happen, so get over it.
3. Some rubbers are manufactured factory tuned/boosted. In the past, manufactured rubbers only had to be the same as the sample rubbers that were submitted to ITTF for approval. If someone got approval for a factory boosted rubber, then it was legal, while the same rubber, boosted at home (so the approved version was not factory-boosted) is illegal. It's not a question of what's fair or not, it's just the way the ITTF works.
4. By the same token, if ITTF decides to withdraw approval for some rubbers (supposedly because they were factory tuned, but it could really be for any reason), then that's their right. Although, like Baal, I would need to see proof to believe it, but it certainly could happen if they wanted.
Personally, I'm a lot more upset about illegal serves and the 40+ balls than boosting, but I know ITTF will keep doing whatever it wants. It's not a democracy and it's not accountable to us (any of the players).
To amend Technical Leaflet: - T4 for Racket Coverings (update) ... Page 11: Companies that sell boosters should not be permitted to have ITTF authorized equipment.
Boosting is an illegal practice, and companies that sell the boosters are enabling and encouraging players to do this. At the same time, those companies are able to use the fact that they produce boosters for a special marketing advantage that can make their products seem more appealing. For example (these are not actual statements they have made): o “Our rubbers are specially formulated to be used with our boosters.” o “If you like our boosters, you can buy our rubbers that are pre-boosted to save you the trouble of boosting.” o “If you like our rubbers but want something slightly different, just buy our booster and use it on a different rubber.”
Furthermore, as a general principle, the ITTF should avoid association with companies that encourage practices that violate ITTF rules.
P.121
6. Supplier’s responsibilities It is the responsibility of the suppliers to keep their brands on the LARC by paying the fees and maintaining the original properties of the racket covering as authorised, without alterations.
Suppliers that produce, market, sell, or are otherwise associated with illegal substances and treatments may not apply for authorisation of any racket covering. Their equipment will not be permitted to appear on the LARC, and may not use the ITTF logo.
It has been 3 months since the AGM and the results have yet to be made public. Either way, assuming it has been passed, the ITTF has NOT outlawed factory boosting, but instead intends to eradicate aftermarket boosting at the source.
By the same reasoning igor used, our nets are illegal because raising tbe height was propsed at the AGM. Until something appears in T4, current rules apply, so anything applied in the factory is legal and anything applied by a player, even if it is the same substance used by the factory is illegal (albeit undetectable). Also, even is there was no booster and we still had 1989 service rules Berndt would complain because he liked 1959 better and interjects that into every single thread; but perhaps not for long if he doesn't head my warning. I am running out of patience.
So here is tbe deal. This thread is about what boosters some pros might use for those who care. It is duely noted and stipulated that some people strongly object to boosting. We get that. You have made the point, here and in other threads.
All subsequent cooments on this thread objecting to boosting will be hidden because it is noted that some members object. This thread is about what booster, how and who.
DianChi
Oil (Chinese 典馳 典驰 油) is the best tuner now.It is used by a lot of the
top players, Ma Long, Hao Shuai, Li XiaoXia, Guo Yan etc, even Timo Boll
use Dianchi!!!Very durable, ~ 1 monthsVOC level <
Addendum: Booster increases the overall spin and speed characteristics of the
table tennis rubber and creates very pleasant ball touch. According to
our information boosters are used by all top players in the world.
Edited by berndt_mann - 09/12/2017 at 9:52pm
bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber
Dianchi Oil Booster is one of the best table tennis tuners which have ever been produced.
It is famous for its quality and long lasting effect. A lot of top table tennis players (including Ma Long and Timo Boll) use this table tennis booster.
From the sounds of all, practically all of the world’s top table tennis players are boosting their rubbers. This has been confirmed by a number of different international players and coaches.
While boosting your table tennis rubbers is technically against ITTF rules, it is commonplace among elite players and even occurs at World Tour events! If you are interested in boosting your rubbers you should check out my articles, How to Boost Your Table Tennis Rubber and The Best Table Tennis Booster.
https://www.experttabletennis.com/equipment/
According to the four sources I have cited, boosting a table tennis rubber, though illegal according to ITTF rules, is either commonplace or almost universally done by the world's best table tennis players.
Does anyone on this forum care to either confirm or deny that sources I have cited are either correct or mistaken?
Edited by berndt_mann - 09/13/2017 at 9:08am
bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber
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Yes, this is the truth that some naive people on this forum dont want to know. Just don't understand why.
The thread is entitled is it confirmed chinese players boost rubbers. The four sources I have cited confirm that either "a lot" or almost all of the world's top players boost their rubbers. This, though presently undetectable, is an illegal practice. It is cheating, whether detectable or not, and utterly soils any portrail that might be made by anyone who condones this practice or proclaims it superficial and not worthy of discussion, that table tennis at its highest level is an honest sport played by honest players.
bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber
The thread is entitled is it confirmed chinese players boost rubbers. The four sources I have cited confirm that either "a lot" or almost all of the world's top players boost their rubbers. This, though presently undetectable, is an illegal practice. It is cheating, whether detectable or not, and utterly soils any portrail that might be made by anyone who condones this practice or proclaims it superficial and not worthy of discussion, that table tennis at its highest level is an honest sport played by honest players.
Yes, basically all top players boost their rubbers, with the exceptions of mizutani and boll
Yes, basically all top players boost their rubbers, with the exceptions of mizutani and boll
We should also include Harimoto in that list since it's now become a RULE that tt players SHOULD ride Harimoto's D because of his age (despite his legs not being able to support the combined weights of 100 obese men yet).
Yes, basically all top players boost their rubbers, with the exceptions of mizutani and boll
We should also include Harimoto in that list since it's now become a RULE that tt players SHOULD ride Harimoto's D because of his age (despite his legs not being able to support the combined weights of 100 obese men yet).
"The thread is entitled is it confirmed chinese players boost rubbers. The four sources I have cited confirm that either "a lot" or almost all of the world's top players boost their rubbers. "
Not even close. The claims on a webpage could not be considered "confirmed statements" when it is clear that the purpose of those claims is to sell equipment. It is advertising. Now this does not mean pros do not boost. I suppose they do. However the claim is not whether they boost. The claim is whether ALL OF THEM BOOST.
My question is why are we focusing on the chinese players only? Wasn't it the hungarian playesr who started using speed glue back in the late 70's in the first place?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwdk871CzZw
Obviously it was not illegal then, but the hungarians did enjoy an advantage.
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