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is it confirmed chinese players boost rubbers? |
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roundrobin
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Were you? Only you know for sure. People here make all sorts of wild claims, including witnessing greatness in table tennis while in their mommy's placenta.
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bard romance
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People can and should choose to believe or not believe anything they read here. I can only speak to my experiences. Some people can post concrete things that can happened and let readers decide, some choose to post inane musings that the sport has been ruined and gone backwards to the point that some guy in long pants and with a hardbat racket is even in the same planet as the champions of today.
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ZingyDNA
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I'm sure you are not hallucinating. But how does that prove ALL the top players are boosting? Besides, you would think the TOP pros are much less likely to tune/boost their rubbers themselves, as tuning is not an easy job to do it consistently. Given their resources the top pros would just have their sponsor manufacturer do it, which ironically is LEGAL... |
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roundrobin
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So for you everything is either left or right, nothing in the middle? Another option is stop being bigoted and be educated. As to your example, no one cares because your claim does not implicate Ma Long in breaking an ITTF law.
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bard romance
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Don't stick words in my mouth. I never said all top players boost. One might choose to conclude that it is feasibly possible that a sizable portion do, judging by how common this practice is among various high level players. Edited by bard romance - 09/18/2017 at 1:45pm |
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roundrobin
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Logic does not allow you to make that conclusion, if you actually learned anything in your college-level logic course.
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bard romance
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Bigoted? Lol. Sounds like you're projecting your own thoughts onto me. You're assuming I'm referring to the Chinese team, aren't you? Never said anything about them. My answer is very in the middle. Many top players boost, some do, some don't. I never said any specific player or team does, except Karlsson by his own admission in the example above. Clearly, you couldn't see the example for what it was. I give up :)
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bard romance
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k, I'll change my post for you, you scholar. Perhaps you can enlighten me on why the following isn't a logical conclusion though, I forgot from my college-level logic class. (common practice among subset of people) -> (possible but not guaranteed to also be practiced among a different subset of people with similar characteristics)
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ZingyDNA
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What? That's not the words I wanna stick in your mouth. I actually wanted you to say what you saw only proved that one player was boosting LMAO
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bard romance
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I know. If your mind thinks that much in a vacuum. Should I assume that nobody else somewhere out in the world uses Tenergy, since I can only confirm it for the people that I see?
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ZingyDNA
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No! You can't assume nobody else, or everybody else in the world uses Tenergy, just because you see people use Tenergy around you. You can assume lots of people use Tenergy due to its sales figure, but that's a completely different thing. Are you just messing with me, or do you really suck at Tenergy, I mean logic? |
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bard romance
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You really don't get it. The obvious point here is that most people can safely extrapolate what they see and hear of to a bigger picture. Not getting into specifics, but big picture in general. Maybe you are too logical and intelligent to understand the ramblings of an idiot like me. Either way, I've done my piece here, you guys can continue to focus on syntax rather than seeing the big picture with someone else, or just get the point. Not sure if inability on unwillingness to accept.
Edited by bard romance - 09/18/2017 at 2:45pm |
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ZingyDNA
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So you see good percentage of players use Tenergy around you, you wanna extrapolate to all players in the world. That's reasonable, but not always true - there are regions where Tenergy is not the primary rubber. That's why this reasonable extrapolation is not hard evidence. That's also why you can't really use this kind of extrapolation in serious matters like convicting someone of a crime or cheating in a sport.
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berndt_mann
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Ma Lin boosting rubber 2011?Hey Everyone, (Dan) https://www.google.com/search?q=image+of+ma+lin+boosting+his+rubber&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif14b-jbDWAhUP7GMKHV_iDg8Q7AkIRg&biw=1094&bih=510#imgrc=2Q7QQPJm5AIeKM: Edited by berndt_mann - 09/18/2017 at 9:50pm |
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bmann1942
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Purett
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in an ittf events all paddles are checked for voc and thickness
if you use the right stuff you won't get caught
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rating solid 1000
moving up to 1001 |
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kurokami
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no proof ma long can beat you? blasphemy!
Edited by kurokami - 09/18/2017 at 7:12pm |
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Viscaria
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igorponger
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THEY ALL ENGAGED IN THE CRIME.. THEY ALL... Timo Ball dares an open outburst of indignation.
Early in this September, Timo Ball proceeded on the subject of illegal boosting with elite players.
September bei der Mannschafts- EM in Luxemburg antritt, hatte angeblich schon mit Chemikalien manipulierte Schläger von Kollegen getestet. "Das Potenzial, etwa bei Beschleunigung und Winkeln, ist enorm", sagte der 16-malige Europameister: "Im Spiel merke ich sofort, wenn einer mit einem manipulierten Schläger spielt. Manche Ballkurve ist ohne derartige Beläge gar nicht möglich." Actually, his words should be read this way -- All my teammates, all my German team fellows, do apply chemical boosters very heavily. TImo is right, indeed. It is sufficient to look at the Hurricane rubbers as currently used by Dima Ovtcharov. A very strong evidence of boosted rubber Dima trying to keep up with the Johnses (Chineses) [:lol:] |
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BigFatLoop
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Gee, whatever happened to "2.4.4 The covering material shall extend up to but not beyond the limits of the blade, ..."??
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Fulanodetal
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Dima uses Hurricane?!? That's news to me....
Should we then update the Pro's Equipment thread to include Boosting oil used? for example: " Dimitrij Ovtcharov (GER) R: Ovtcharov Senso V1 (ST) F: Tenergy 05 B: Tenergy 05 Booster: Kailing oil " FdT
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zeio
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Sorry to break it to you, the edge tape IS the limits of the blade. Edited by zeio - 09/20/2017 at 6:59pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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igorponger
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Happy crooks. |
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tom
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Russians couldn't win whether they use boosters or not
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jfolsen
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Igor, do you realize that this thread was 5 years old?
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zeio
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Reminds me of what igor said about the people of honor and what they had to say about their own players.
Reposting here just for the heck of it. https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?23943-Timo-Boll-How-I-glue&p=322192&viewfull=1#post322192
Edited by zeio - 07/18/2022 at 2:23am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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igorponger
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FAQ:
— How could Chinese go on with boosters without being penalized? A: — Wang Hao was the only chinese who got penalized for booster, back in 2015. Since then, Chinese had learned the lesson and took certain precautions for a possible racket inspection. The best effective prevention from being penalized is the voluntary safety-control on the racket. Herewith, you can see Fan Zhedong came in for a voluntary control prior to entering the playing court. |
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