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Originally posted by joshuadn11 joshuadn11 wrote:

high toss is so hard man...i can never get the timing right and my serve's spin is just so much weaker compare to low toss T.T


I had this problem, it feels like I'm swinging hard but produce no spin.

It's because I was not confident with my swing timing!! So although I start the swing hard, I slow down the swing around contact to "wait" for the ball. YOU MAY NOT EVEN REALIZE you are doing this!!! it's very subconscious. Record a video and you'll see.


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That's a very good point, you have to wait a little longer than you think before starting your swing at the ball!
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Originally posted by joshuadn11 joshuadn11 wrote:

high toss is so hard man...i can never get the timing right and my serve's spin is just so much weaker compare to low toss T.T

i think moving the arm like mizutani or ma lin helps me time the serve!
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If you have a toss of consistent height you can use the arm movement to time the contact precisely, it's very helpful.
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Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

If you have a toss of consistent height you can use the arm movement to time the contact precisely, it's very helpful.


It *feels* you are timing with arm movement, but truth is, you are always timing with your eye and brain, which in turn cause your arm to subtle linger, move slower or faster. having identical motion and identical toss SO consistent that you have exact same timing window is impossible.

If you can do that, you can do a blind high toss serve. Try it Tongue

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That's a good point, but I meant that the arm movement was more to get a rough feel for the timing, of course the exact half-second of contact still varies. However, in terms of having a 2 second toss, the arm movements help you take up most of that time without getting antsy and starting contact too early. You're right about still having to contact at the right time, the arm movements just help make that easier!

Also, I think some Chinese players could likely do all their serves, low and high, blind with a decent success rate. :D


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I found when I practiced them for fun in the past that it helped to make your toss near vertical and to confirm that the sweep tracjectory of your racket was in line with the toss.
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