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anubhav1984 
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 Topic: What am I doing wrong?Posted: 01/20/2015 at 11:56am |
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I have recently purchased a Stiga Ebenholz NCT V ST handle. I made this purchase after I was immensely impressed by its performance when I had tested a friend's setup. His setup was really light and that made me order a really light (75 gms) Stiga Ebenholz. However, now that I have it, I somehow don't seem to be getting the same kind of feel I was getting on my friend's setup.
My friend's setup was - Stiga Ebenholz NCT V FL - Donic Bluefire JP 01 FH and Adidas P3 BH (both in max) My current setup is - Stiga Ebenholz NCT V ST - Donic Bluefire M1 Turbo, Joola Rhyzm (both in max) My concern is that even though the forehand rubbers are of the same family, my combination feels really mushy on the forehand whereas my friend's setup is really crisp and has a nice feedback. Considering that my friend used JP 01 and I am using M1 Turbo, I was guessing that my combination would have been crisper of the two. I contemplated that this might be because of shoddy glue job on my part. I was using Revolution No 3 (regular viscosity) to paste my rubbers and this was causing the rubbers to come off every now and then. I then used LKT WBG to stick the rubbers and they are stuck better now (still not as good as I would want them to be though).
Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this might be the case? I really liked the Crisp and Hard feel of Ebenholz but that is somehow missing completely from my setup. I purchased my blade from TableTennis11.com.
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NextLevel
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 12:15pm |
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You are doing things your friend didn't do, not telling us exactly what he did, and asking us to explain why you don't get the same result.
That's what you are doing wrong.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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anubhav1984
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 12:23pm |
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So my friend is using the same blade and Bluefire JP 01 on FH and I am using Bluefire M1 Turbo on FH. He was using Tibhar WBG to stick his sheet and I used Revolution No 3 till now. However, even after using LKT WBG(which has a really strong adhesion) there is no change in feel. The blade still does not feel hard and crisp as it should be.
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GeneralSpecific
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 12:48pm |
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Perhaps you should try using Bluefire JP instead of the older Bluefire? Maybe the difference is significant enough.
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 1:02pm |
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Truthfully, there is a lot of variation between blades (esp different batches/times). If you got an ultralight one, it may have been made with less dense wood, which gives it that yucky feel.
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hookumsnivy
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 1:09pm |
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You're not comparing apples to apples.
What weight was his blade? 75 seems really light. Both your FH and BH rubbers are different. Different glue (though I doubt that has much to do with it) These are the questions I would answer: How much does his blade weigh? If he lets you, either try his rubbers on your blade or your rubbers on his blades and see how it reacts. If his rubbers give the same feel on your blade as they did on his, then it's the difference in rubbers. If they don't, it's likely the blade is different enough. Same idea if you do it on his blade.
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 1:19pm |
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Are the rubbers new...?
Did you remove all the glue before re-gluing...? Maybe get your mate to put the rubbers on or reveal his technique... Just some ideas... |
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mhnh007
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 1:42pm |
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JP01 has a softer top sheet than M1, I have not try M1 Turbo, but from what I heard it is even harder than reg. M1, so the feel between JP01 and M1 Turbo is definitely different. However, from the problem you described, sound like a bad glue job. The Ebv has a very thick NCT coating, so thick that some people even rough up the surface with fine sand paper before they can stick the rubber on. I did not have this problem using Butterfly Free Chack.
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 2:34pm |
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I have occasionally felt the same thing on my own equipment! This occurs when I use the newer, water soluble glues and either put the glue on too thick or do not press the rubber down overnight. I almost never have this problem with rubber cement (which I use for many rubbers but have not used for tenergy or some of the latest tensor ones).
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 2:44pm |
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 3:33pm |
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I know what else you are doing wrong.. EJing... Seriously, just try regluing and hope for a better outcome.
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Posted: 01/20/2015 at 4:39pm |
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The obvious solution is to buy your friend's setup and a lunch. Problem solved.
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anubhav1984
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 12:40am |
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Thanks a lot for the suggestions folks! I have attempted a rather risky maneuver today by lightly sanding the surface and re-gluing the sheets.
@hookumsnivy - Even his blade weighs around 75-76 gms. Though I completely agree to your point that my rubbers are entirely different. What I was really worried about was that even M1 Turbo is supposedly harder than Jp 01, the feeling that I was having on my blade was very mushy. @NextLevel - I have been trying to get away from EJing but its really tough  @CraneStyle - The rubbers are not really new. But they are pretty close to being new and yes, I did remove all the previous glue build-up before sticking them on Ebenholz.
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 12:46am |
I just started a new thread - you might like it...
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 8:10am |
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anub, if you are brave enough, you could always try my famous mod... Would instantly add some oomph and feel to it....
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 10:41am |
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May be your friend's EB V is not as light as you first thought so the feel of yours is not comparable. I always have a feeling that the one I have is very light and could be 80g and below. After reading this thread I go dig it up and found the rubbers are coming loose on the edges, so I removed them from the blade and surprise to see the bare blade is indeed 87g in weight, which is not light by any means.
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 11:47am |
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BH-Man - What is that mod?
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anubhav1984
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 11:48am |
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That might actually be a very valid point. I would have have to ask him to take his rubbers off and re-weigh for me once.
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 5:55pm |
THIS ONE.
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Posted: 01/22/2015 at 12:50am |
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Oh no...I am not trying that mod at all :P
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Posted: 01/27/2015 at 1:53pm |
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How long has your friend had their blade? Sometimes a worn in blade can feel different to a brand new one. You are right about the bluefire, m1 should have a bit more bite to it than JP series. Everything has a different feel when combined, maybe JP is better for your game and feel anyway. As mentioned above every blade has small differences, perhaps just give it a few goes to wear in and see if the feeling improves.
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Posted: 01/28/2015 at 1:33am |
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sure tabletennis11....I am still holding on to it....will see how it goes!
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Posted: 01/28/2015 at 11:36am |
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I think that the glue job may actually be the culprit, happened to me in the past. Ever since, I stick with donic glues, Formula First being top for me. I avoid glue from less known brands.
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Posted: 01/30/2015 at 5:56am |
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JacekGM - Agree with your point. However, I try staying away from Donic and Tibhar glues. They are very hard to remove from the sponge. How has your experience been with them?
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Posted: 01/30/2015 at 8:09am |
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different handle gives different feeling of the blade too.
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It can make a huge difference to how a set up feels depending on how the rubbers are applied, the more you stretch the rubber on application, the 'crisper' it feels on contact because the ball will have slightly less dwell. So your friends glueing technique might be significantly different to yours.
I've never found any two blades of the same type that feel quite the same, there is always a variation of feeling. Is your friend tuning ? and also is his blade varnished and yours not or vice versa? There will always be a difference, and any of the above will increase that.
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