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superloop
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Hello GenonimicsKnight...Below is a generic picture of a carriage bolt that I found on the internet. It is like the ones on the Clicky press but not the actual ones. The head of the bolt is smooth and there is a short square section down near the head of the bolt. The hole in the bottom piece of wood on the Clicky press is square so the bolt won't twist when you tighten the wingnuts on the top of the bolt. I had to special order the metric carriage bolts that were 10mm longer so that my new Tanpan blade that is 9mm thick would fit into the press. superloop |
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GenomicsKnight
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I use Tibhar Rapid Clean and Stiga Carbon Speed Glue. I put 3 layers of speed glue on the sponge and 1 layer on the blade. To get a decent glue job I would have to leave it in the press (homemade) for about 35 min at least. If I am in a hurry I will put regular contact cememt near and around the edge, then in this case 25 min or so will be enough. I usually tighten up the bolts in the press to the max. I always use the protective film on the rubbers before putting blade into the press.
Can you guys post a few pictures of the bolts used in the real Clicky Press? superloop has mentioned it before that it's a special bolt that will not turn as the cap or nut is being screwed on. I'm very curious about it. Thanks! |
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SDRamones
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For the best glue job, I leave it on a minimum of 60 minutes since apply the glue to both the sponge and blade with a light coat and let air dry a little bit already. Since I speed glue, I don't let it stand too long before use. One thing I did notice on newer or tacky rubbers is that I need to put a plastic protective sheet on the rubber before I insert the rubber in the Clicky Press. I do this because the rubber sticks to the press and sometimes it won't release. So if I put the protective sheet it prevents this sticking. If it sticks it will pull the rubber and the sponge away from the blade surface. Prettty much screwing up your glue job. |
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superloop
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Hello SDRamones...When I started this thread, I was also going to ask some questions about the Clicky Press but I didn't want to make the thread too complicated. For the best glue job, I was wondering...How tight should you make the press? I make it barely firm but not too tight. After you apply the glue and put it in the press, how long do you let it sit in the press before you use it? Also, I have seen people return their racket to their presses (Clicky and homemade) between matches. Does this help the glue effect last longer? superloop |
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If I crank the bottom bolt as tight as possible it does effect the glue job. But if tighten it up just firm all the way around to the point where it only bends slightly then it does not effect the glue job. At that point it applies a more even pressure on the rubber.
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GenomicsKnight
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Sean, a quick question. When your Clicky Press bends does it affect the glue job in any way? I was wondering when tightening the bottom side bolts as you described does the Clicky Press start to bulge in or around the center part. I am just looking for a few ideas to improve my current design. Thanks in advance. |
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I have the same problem if I tighten the bottom side bolts too much. If you loosen thema bit they don't bend as much.
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GenomicsKnight
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Cool. I am glad we are ok. I do remember someone in this forum mentioning that his/hers Cliky Press didn't provide enough pressure in the center as the two pieces of boards bend around the center. Do you find the same problem with your Clicky? |
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Got it in the mail. Thanks for the fast shipment. Much appreciated.
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Paypal went through on your gmail Paypal account email. Thanks, Sean
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Thomas, Email me your Paypal Account Email and I will send you the money as soon as I can. Thanks, Sean |
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To Sean...That's cool. Check your e-mail. superloop |
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I'll take 5 for now. Do you take Paypal? |
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91709 THat's cool I'll let you know. How many I need. |
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To Sean...I weighed 40 bolts and it weighed 1 lb 2 oz. What is your zip code to calculate postage? I chose LA to see what the postage would be. Parcel Post was almost $5. Would you spend $25 on 40 bolts? If you are going to build your own press or presses, I do suggest that you use carriage bolts like the ones on the Clicky press. The fact that the head of the bolts doesn't twist when you are tightening the nut is a good feature. I am more than happy to sell you some of my bolts but if you are just going to build your own press, you should use English carriage bolts instead of metric. You can find English carriage bolts at the local hardware store. If I remember right, I think that the English carriage bolts were like $0.18 each. The carriage bolts that I wanted were metric to exacly replace the ones on the Clicky Press (Yasaka = Japan = metric). I had to go to a metric store and special order them. That is why they were $0.40 each also why I had to order a minimum of 100 bolts. I only suggest buying the bolts from me if you are going to use them on a Clicky Press that you already own. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. You will not hurt my feelings if you decide that you don't need/want any of my bolts. superloop |
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Email me again. I emailed myself but forgot to put you in the TO section. My bad. Will resend the email when I get yours.= again. |
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Cool thanks. Just trying to figure out if it is worth buying from you or going to my local hardware and ordering there. |
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To Sean...40 for $20 seems OK but I am not sure about the shipping. Let me get out my postal scale and see how much 40 bolts weigh. I will get back to you. superloop |
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To Genomics Knight...No problem about hijacking the thread. These threads often take off in an unkown direction. That is what makes them fun. I guess that I was surprised that nobody took me up on my original offer. I just wanted to explain my offer again and see if anybody would respond. If somebody wants some of the bolts, the price isn't really that important to me. I just wanted to offer to help some other people out. As far as building your own press...I know at least 2 people who have done this. I know that it isn't that difficult but I guess that I am too lazy. Plus, who else would spend $40 on top of the original $24 just so the press will open wider. The wood on the Clicky Press seems pretty stiff. Do you think or have other people said that it doesn't provide even pressure at the center? To me, my regluing has been alot more consistent since I got the press. When I used to do it without a press, I would get about 1 out of 5 bad glue jobs that had to be redone. superloop |
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Email me again. My spam filter might have gotten it. Sorry. Hotmail sucks.
SO 40 @ $20.00 shipped? |
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superloop
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Hello Sean...It doesn't really matter to me. I have already upgraded my Clicky press and I still have 95 extra bolts. The bolts cost me $0.40 each plus tax. I originally said that I would sell them for $1 each. It is not like I am trying to make big bucks off the deal. I just thought that it might help somebody else out that needs or wants the longer bolts that fit the Clicky Press. If nobody wants them, I guess that I am stuck with a bunch of extras. It takes a set of 5 bolts for each press. $5 for 5 bolts. $10 for 10 bolts. (plus postage). If this seems unreasonable, we can discuss the price. Also, if you wanted a larger amount (like 40 or more), the unit price would be closer to $0.50 each. superloop PS - Sean...did you get my message with my e-mail address? You were going to send me a list of blades that you have for sale. |
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How many for $5USD? 10USD? |
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GenomicsKnight
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Hi superloop, Sorry for hijacking your thread and led to some discussion with Sean that is unrelated to your original post. My bad. I know exactly what you are talking about. I did a lot of research before constructing my own ClickyPress. I guessed that Yasaka must have used some special bolts or washers, so the bolts will not turn idly as you try to tighten it up. Anyway the main reason I didn't buy a ClickyPress and opted to make my own was I concluded that the boards they used might bend and will not apply the pressure evenly. Also I was bored and wanted to do some wood project Cheers! |
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Hello Sean and GenomicsKnight...There are a couple of people at my club that have made their own Clicky-type press just like you said above. I originally decided to pay the $24 or so for the actual Clicky Press. The Schlager Carbon that I was using is about 7.4mm thick and with two 2.1mm rubbers, it would fit into the press easily. When I got my new Darker Tanpan single-ply Hinoki blade it was 9mm thick. With the press fully open, my new blade would barely fit into my Clicky Press. I figured out that the original bolts on the Clicky press were metric carriage bolts (M6 by 40mm). Above, GenonomicsKnight talks about using Hex bolts but these don't work as well. Carriage bolts are different in that they have a square part at the head of the bolt. The holes in the bottom of the Clicky press are square and the square part of the carriage bolt keeps the bottom of the bolt from turning when you tighten the nut on the top. Hex bolts do not provide this function. In the US, you can find english carriage bolts at the local hardware store but metric carriage bolts are very hard to find. I needed some bolts that were 10mm longer. I had to special order these bolts but the minimum order was 100 bolts. This cost me over $40 for the new bolts. In my original post, I was asking if there was anybody that already had a Clicky Press that could use the longer bolts. Since I have 95 extra, I was willing to help them out by selling them the new bolts basically for cost. Therefore, they wouldn't have to buy 100 bolts when they only need 5 like I did. superloop
PS - sorry for such long posts...once I get typing, I can't stop. |
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GenomicsKnight
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I used a brush because I thought the sealant could be applied more evenly onto the blade. Next time, I will try the spray form. I believe shallac is dervied from secretions of lac beetle. The smell is quite strong. I had to set the blade aside for a few days after varnishing it, otherwise it would have stunk up my gym bag very badly. |
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Does Shellac and Sealer come in SPRAY? For me it is easier to get a light caot with Spray vs paint brushing it on. Also, what is Shellac made out of? I didn't know it was organic. |
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You are right. I found both shellac and PU are thick (at least the one that I used), so you need to sand it down a bit once it's fully fried. Sanding sealer is much better I think, but I am leaning towards shellac because it's organic.
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Wasn't shellac kinf of too thick? How were the others? Poly's good and comes in spray so you can make a really light coat, but I don't have any experience with the other stuff. |
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Yes I was doing several experiments at once. I am using those boards to test out the polyurethane, sanding sealer and shellac to figure out which one is the best for sealing blades. |
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thanks for the advice. I was just thinking about that. I wasn't sure what type of wood to use. I will probably want to go with the Maple. Did you varnish or stain the tops? It seems darker. |
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