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kindof99 
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 Topic: USE different rubbers against different opponents?Posted: 03/15/2015 at 5:20pm |
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I did not search for this topic, but it appears that it is little discussed. Most players appear to have a fixed set of rubbers. But in my point of view, different rubbers should be used against opponents of different styles. For example, you want to use a rubber with high throw angle against a chopper and maybe low throw angle against an opponent that plays mainly top spin. But it appears that no professional player changes their rubbers. I know that you want to maintain the same feeling for your paddle. But still?
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JohnnyChop
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 6:05pm |
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I think using different set ups will be detrimental to your touch...
Also I pick my equipment on what maximizes my strength and not to match my opponents game... on the other hand this could exponentially increase the EJ potential!!! |
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 6:14pm |
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thats right! case closed...and changing equipment constantly is bad for a player's development also if you try to learn new techniques/serves/strokes. Pro's can change equipment often because they have already perfectly established technique but still they need some time (1 month max ) to adjust
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CraneStyle
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 6:52pm |
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For amateurs, yes we stick to one playing setup...
However, I read a Koki Niwa interview where he uses different rubbers (T05, T05 FX) depending on where he's is - Asia or Europe.. |
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pnachtwey
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 9:30pm |
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I don't see where changing between different small changes in rubber is not a good idea even if you are rated over 2000. My first coach switched from T05 to T25 just before a tournament. If you know T05 and T25 that is a BIG change. It did not go well. He should have known better.
I think it is better to play with one setup as other have suggested but have two different types of rubber on the FH and BH so the opponent needs to cope with the changes between FH and BH balls. Being able to twiddle is a plus. |
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 9:42pm |
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The main reason for not doing this, certainly not making a major change, is that as you play, your brain gets reinforced continuously with a certain set of expectations based on results. In other words, if I get ball A coming at me and execute shot X a certain way, it will be successful because I have done it thousands of times and have refined the shot by trial and error. If you are going to play well, you need the execution of the shot to be correct as much as possible without having to think about the details of the execution (like racket angle, or swing speed, etc. etc.). Note here the distinction between thinking about execution of the shot and thinking about tactics.
If you make any significant change in your equipment, many of the things you have trained are suddently not appropriate. If you are constantly changing your stuff, then you will never really get engrained to any one set of expectations, so you will have to constantly be thinking about how to execute your shots. It may work against really low level players who have no idea what to do with one kind of equipment, but by doing that you will slow or halt your progress. Now before someone brings it up, yes, really high level coaches (2600 players) can pick up any kind of blade or rubber and play at a level that is too high for a lot of people here. Nevertheless, if they are playing someone close to their own level, they need to use the thing they are accustomed to and trained with. Subtle changes in equipment to compensate for unfamiliar playing conditions (say, altitude) or to accommodate a different ball might work, but in that case, the person making the change trying to make the overall experience more like what he/she has trained for, and not to confuse the opponent. In other words, it's not golf. |
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 11:45pm |
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a friend told me that a chinese legend called liang used several rubbers to match the opponent, he used to switch sponge topsheet before a match to play difrents players ,he could use one rubber one day another rubber to play diferent player. check how skillful was this player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysemTNokIIg |
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Posted: 03/15/2015 at 11:47pm |
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i know kreanga sometimes play with T05FX Or T05 depends if he plays in a big venue or small gymnasium, i think truly innate players can do this
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Posted: 03/16/2015 at 12:42am |
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maybe us old pimple players could use a at the table long pips and then a chopping one for someone else
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Posted: 03/16/2015 at 4:19am |
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There was a time people were allowed to switch rackets during matches and a minority of players did, some decent.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Posted: 03/22/2015 at 5:19am |
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If Dima, the world number 6, is doing it for games against choppers then it is not as bad an idea as most think.
 Words from Dima in the recent German Tour Open vs Filus: “I smashed my racket on the practice table 10 minutes before the match; this
messed with my head a little”, said Dimitrij Ovtcharov. “My racket was tailored
to play against defence; my reserve one I used was not, which put me off; half
way through my match I changed my forehand rubber, which helped with defence.” |
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Posted: 03/22/2015 at 10:32am |
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Did he actually glue on a different rubber or simply started playing on FH with a different side of the racket?
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NextLevel
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Posted: 03/22/2015 at 12:22pm |
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Definitely the latter. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Vlad0
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Posted: 03/22/2015 at 12:22pm |
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It's not about a big change and mostly used when you play against pimpled player. For example if you use aurus - put aurus soft or sound, T05 - put T05FX and it will be easier. Of course you have to know the rubbers.
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Apparently, he started the match using black rubber on FH, and switched to red instead. According to "rumours", he plays with T05 on both side. At the same time, many people claim that black T05 (or other tensor) is faster/spinnier than red T05. IMHO, it is interesting that he switched to red from black to better deal with Filus's defences.
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But he doesn't explain what he means by "tailored". Maybe it is just a slightly different glue job or maybe he uses more or less "tuner"? I find it odd that if a player has two rackets that are substantially different that he wouldn't have backups for both. My guess is that the differences between rackets are pretty subtle. |
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i've seen a couple instances where japanese players go from 64 to 05 in europe bc the style is different and everyone hits so hard. niwa doesn't play FX. he used to play 25/64 after 05/64, then 05/05 briefly after training in bundesliga, back to 64/64, now 80/64. almost no top world pros use FX/in fact, none that i know of. |
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I change setups depending on who I am playing. Have 1 setup with pips on the BH for modern defense and another one with smooth/smooth.
If I am playing players who are much better than me I would use the modern defense setup. People around my level or lower, I use smooth and smooth. Lower ranked players have problems with the pips - so I play smooth and smooth. |
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Generally don't think it is a good idea. I have several different set ups that I use to play to give players experience against. I also play left handed (my lower skill level) too. |
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