Battle 1 and 2

Looks good.  Let me know how it plays.  I've invested too much stock in my current rubber to look at side bets.

Edited by NextLevel - 03/25/2015 at 1:27pm

That's FANTASTIC!  I had emailed them a few weeks ago to see if they'd stock it.  And it's even in my favorite hardness for both!  Really, everyone should try these.

JimT wrote: eonblue wrote: That's FANTASTIC!  I had emailed them a few weeks ago to see if they'd stock it.  And it's even in my favorite hardness for both!  Really, everyone should try these. Are there any extensive reviews on them? Are they light? How really tacky is Battle 1 and is it really 42 degrees hard? 42 on DHS scale would be quite hard and probably kinda heavy. I am trying to find some light black rubber that would play more or less the same as KTL Red Diamond Mechanical (which unfortunately is not manufactured in Black).

NextLevel wrote: JimT wrote: eonblue wrote: That's FANTASTIC!  I had emailed them a few weeks ago to see if they'd stock it.  And it's even in my favorite hardness for both!  Really, everyone should try these. Are there any extensive reviews on them? Are they light? How really tacky is Battle 1 and is it really 42 degrees hard? 42 on DHS scale would be quite hard and probably kinda heavy. I am trying to find some light black rubber that would play more or less the same as KTL Red Diamond Mechanical (which unfortunately is not manufactured in Black). Those are Euro scales.

OK, good then. So 42 is about 33-34, 47 around 38-39 as I recall.

They seem spot on 'shore c' to me.  But after using 47/42 for just a little while, 45/40 seem annoyingly soft/dwelly/slow. 

I suspect the tuning oil used in this rubber isn't that volatile since it isn't vaccum sealed like 729-08 es. Can't tell about the tuning durability yet, but I think the topsheet is a lot tougher than average according to the lack of ball marks after several sessions.

Tassie52 wrote: JimT wrote: I am trying to find some light black rubber that would play more or less the same as KTL Red Diamond Mechanical (which unfortunately is not manufactured in Black). I was under the impression - which others may or may not be able to verify - that KTL Black Power is the black equivalent of Red Diamond.  A check on ooak shop suggests that they are parallel creatures.

beeray1 wrote: Tassie52 wrote: JimT wrote: I am trying to find some light black rubber that would play more or less the same as KTL Red Diamond Mechanical (which unfortunately is not manufactured in Black). I was under the impression - which others may or may not be able to verify - that KTL Black Power is the black equivalent of Red Diamond.  A check on ooak shop suggests that they are parallel creatures. I was under that impression too. When I played them, the different performance was noticeable. However, I couldn't really determine if it's QC or just that they're that different.

so I just got a couple of sheets of Battle II and I from Zeropong so will post my impressions. I don't play on playing with them, I bought them to put together a couple of rackets for some intermediate players at my club. Side note: my wife is Chinese and she said the literal translation is Gallop, or something that means keeps moving forward. I guess Battle sounds more formidable than Gallop. It's also funny to see 4 different categories on the front...1) Speed 11 2) Spin 12 3) Control 12, and wait for it...4) Forward 11. LOL. Maybe we should start adding a Forward rating to our rubber reviews...lol.

Dr.Cho wrote: Red Diamond and black power are different. Black power is harder

1. Black Power Mech is harder, less spinny, a bit faster, in general works somewhat worse for me than Red Diamond. BPM basically has to be properly boosted to be generally usable, RDM does not (although it is recommended)

2. BPM is not sold by Zeropong anymore

3. I have had two sheets of BPM develop bubbles - one of them after about an hour of play. Perhaps that's why KTL stopped selling them; they want to fix them first.

I really hope that they will simply start making BPM identical to RDM.

Or better yet, come up with a new name - like KTL <something> Diamond Mechanical, or something completely new, which will simply replace RDM/BPM and will be made in both Red and Black.

Should have qualified that ;) light compared to what I was expecting: 50g

Had a few games today. It didn't seem as fast as the rhyzm and certainly not as bouncy. I then switched round and think i preferred it on bh. Looking forward to playing more next week. I have it on an all+ flexible blade.

Waldme1ster wrote: AcudaDave wrote: so I just got a couple of sheets of Battle II and I from Zeropong so will post my impressions. I don't play on playing with them, I bought them to put together a couple of rackets for some intermediate players at my club. Side note: my wife is Chinese and she said the literal translation is Gallop, or something that means keeps moving forward. I guess Battle sounds more formidable than Gallop. It's also funny to see 4 different categories on the front...1) Speed 11 2) Spin 12 3) Control 12, and wait for it...4) Forward 11. LOL. Maybe we should start adding a Forward rating to our rubber reviews...lol. I've been wondering for some time what this "forward" is supposed to mean. Anybody got a clue? Maybe how much of a forward motion you've got to execute for topspinning...

Hit some with Battle 1 and is pretty good rubber. Speed and spin are better than average and throw angle is medium to high. Overall I'd give this rubber a B especially for the money as it's only $22.

Cole, please let us know when you receive them. I was actually thinking about PMing you today about Battle stock. You'll have an order from me soon after :)

Hi Cole, what sponge hardness did you order for both?