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haggisv
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schen: Your comments on the Vario clean seem to indicate that it might have reacted with something, either something already on the blade or on the rubber. Removal from the blade is generally dead easy, removal from the rubber can be hard if it's been on there for a long time. The Vario Clean is similar to many other glues, including the Butterfly one which is just somewhat thicker and stronger (making it harder spread and remove). I'm sure many are made in the same factory.
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schen
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It wasn't my bottle of glue so perhaps the guy i borrowed it from had mixed it with something. There was nothing on the new sheet of tenergy or my blade (unsealed and only used with wbg) it could've reacted to
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My VarioClean is sticky, but I find it easy to remove from blades, Steve. Rubbers, not as easily, but if the layer is thick on the rubber, it comes off much more easily.
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ahsq
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can someone please advise the proper way to use Tear Mender on a lacquer blade with soft porous sponge??
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Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
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Baal
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wturber has posted a lot on this, he examined many methods of using Tearmender.
here are two of his posts, you may have to go back earlier to find more, but I think his most detailed description of the best way to use it is on OOAK forum. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42988&KW=tearmender&PID=534119&title=glue-alternatives#534119 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45690&PID=567640&title=glue-comparison#567640 |
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mhnh007
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I use Tear Mender for a couple of years now. It's easy to clean up (I re-glue often), and it's fairly cheap, but not any more though, unless you live in US. I order Tear Mender through Amazon Canada, and currently it is quite expensive. I am trying to find some alternative now that is easier to get. Anyone has any suggestive? Has anyone used Speed-sew, which is also a fabric latex glue as well?
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Tassie52
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Am I the only person in the world using Xiom I-Bond? I find it easy to use: the sponge applicator does the job, there's enough in a small bottle for a dozen rubbers, it holds well but not too well.
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haggisv
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Nothing wrong with the Xiom I-Bond glue...I use this for pimples in OX. It's stronger than most glues and spreads very thin (both vital properties for OX rubbers). I find it's harder to get off the blade, and you'd be well advised to seal the blade.
Most glues work just fine, although some take a little more to get used to than others. |
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kevo
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Joola Lex glue is pretty good. Dries quickly, good bond and comes off with little trouble. I am worried about bloody water based glue warping or changing the wood on my precious OSP Immune OX blade, however. I'd love to get a hold of some Tearmender but they don't sell it in Ireland!
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assam
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I use copydex and never had any trouble
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asifgunz
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For the guys who have ordered tearmender from walmart. Have you ever had it lump up on you, inside the bottle, when you received it?
I bought from ebay in the past. Orderd and received my second one last week. This was the new bottle of tearmender with a straw and etc. Totally clumped up. Only getting a yellow liquid coming out of it. No adhesive at all. Im Trying to establish a good source for it. |
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hidasjoki
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I use Revo #3 glue on my blades and usually either xiom I-bond or Butterfly free chack on the rubber. The revo #3 is gentle on the wood and the stronger more adhesive glue on the rubber creates a better bond than just using Revo on both blade and rubber.
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Gtbana1
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Revo #3, two coats on blade and three on rubber. I use the 'Clicky press' for a few hours and I'm ready to go.
Removing the glue is the best part, it comes off in one piece on both blade and rubber with no residue. |
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ahsq
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try buy it on amazon.
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igorponger
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WE always use this stuff to our entire satisfaction. http://www.spirithalloween.com/product/pint-of-liquid-latex/97.uts?keyword= liquid latex&thumbnailIndex=2 |
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zhan2133
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That's my first glue. It has strong bond, maybe too strong. I had blister in my hand when trying to remove glue on my blade for an hour... Never went back.
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wankhao
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crackfst
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this is a good speedglue. And the great thing is, it is way cheaper and lasts longer than most WBGs. Also if you just do one layer and let it dry very nicely, it doesnt bother tensioned rubbers at all. I dont think a bit of solvent can do that, if you howewer speedglue the hell out of your rubber with tons of layers, maybe even glue wet, thats probably harmful for tensioned rubbers I also doubt that it could be detected after a week if you let it dry enough before gluing(and there would be zero competitive advantage or solvent related health risks anyways then)
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igszoctan
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As far as Nittaku Finezip concerned I hate it. It is too thick, dries fast and I cannot simply apply it evenly on the surface :-( Furthermore. it is expensive too.
However, Revolution 3 is great :-) Easy removal, nice flat layers. Child's play to deal with. Edited by igszoctan - 07/04/2015 at 12:50pm |
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Fh: Rasant PowerGrip (2.1) Blades: Appelgren Allplay Bh: Rasant Powersponge(1.9) Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66928&PID=807706 Strength and honour |
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LATEX MILK (ditto Revolution3 glue) --THE BEST PING PANG GLUE.
Chemical pundits did found out what liquid ingredients the REVOLUTION 3 GLUE is made of. The one and only ingredient is n a t u r a l l a t e x m i l k which extracted largely from Heveia tree Malaisian plantation. USA cheapest suppliers of the latex milk : http://www.spirithalloween.com/product/pint-of-liquid-latex/97.uts?keyword=latex&thumbnailIndex=3#productDetailTabs2 http://www.liquidlatexstore.com/clear-liquid-latex-face-body-paint-16-oz.html |
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LATEX MILK (ditto Revolution3 glue) --THE BEST PING PANG GLUE.
Chemical pundits did found out what liquid ingredients the REVOLUTION 3 GLUE is made of. The one and only ingredient is n a t u r a l__l a t e x__m i l k which extracted largely from Heveia tree all over Malaisian forest. USA cheapest suppliers of the latex milk : http://www.spirithalloween.com/product/pint-of-liquid-latex/97.uts?keyword=latex&thumbnailIndex=3#productDetailTabs2 http://www.liquidlatexstore.com/clear-liquid-latex-face-body-paint-16-oz.html |
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unstopabl3
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Why so many layers? Isn't one layer on blade and two on rubbers good enough? |
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JacekGM
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Butterfly now makes Free Chack II for gluing the Tenergy series. I bought some to try, the bond is very good, the removal works okay.
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MLfan
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How's Revolution no. 3 compared to finezip? I've been using finezip for so long I can't remember how the other glues play like...
how many layers do you need for revolution?
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unstopabl3
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I have just glued rubbers on a brand new blade for the first time with Finezip. The glue dried damn fast, literally in seconds, I couldn't even apply the sponge on the blade without having the glue dry up on me and creating lumps (the ones when you try to remove dried glue). I had to remove the glue three times on each side before I was able to spread the glue evenly and accurately as I desired. I couldn't dare to apply a second on the blade or the rubbers from the fear of lumping the previous layer. Maybe this was due to my blade being sealed? But strangely never had such a problem with Butterfly Free Chak, which is so easy to apply and doesn't clump or dry so damn fast. And after using the blade for about 1 week, the rubbers have seemed to come off from the top edges, indicating not strong bond or not adequate spread of glue. Anybody experience this and any ideas how to fix this problem? |
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Baal
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Yes, pretty good glue. |
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skip3119
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====================================== After switching from rubber cement to Tearmender 3 or 4 years ago, I have been happy with it . It is cheap, one bottle will last for 3 years or so. I bought it from Walmart.
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wturber
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These days I buy the 6oz (think - next to the smallest size) bottle at Ace Hardware for about $7-8. I originally started using and promoting Tear Mender because so many of the first water based glues were silly expensive and that really ticked me off. I went searching for a water-based equivalent to generic rubber cement and TearMender and CopyDex were what I found. I actually found CopyDex first, but couldn't find a reasonable way to get it to the U.S. My continued search led me to TearMender. I still used it mostly because it is easy to glue Dr. Evil with it. If I use a rubber with a cloth back, I'd probably switch to rubber cement. Nowadays there are many options that are equally reasonable in price. So if Tear Mender is expensive in your area, then I'd suggest switching to something else. If CopyDex is available in Canada, then you might try that. Everything I've read suggests that it is very similar to Tear Mender. CopyDex is common in Great Britain and perhaps parts of Europe. Edited by wturber - 10/17/2015 at 9:32pm |
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skip3119
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========================== I have had no problems with the tearmendor that I bought from Walmart. 3 or 4 years ago I bought one bottle, recently I bought another bottle - no problem at all. Delivered right to my house.
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asifgunz
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thank you both ^^
Yeah I ended up buying from walmart too ( I think, or amazon, i gotta check tbh).
It has stayed very well. I actually take a precaution and after putting some on sponge, i close it and then put the whole bottle inside a ziplock bag haha. It might sound stupid but my last one jammed up inside after about was it 8-9 months. |
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