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    Posted: 04/22/2015 at 9:22pm
Any one heard anything about this rubber 

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The new DONIC ACUDA BLUE rubber sheets captivate by its outstanding playing characteristics such as very good control and complete the features of the successful DONIC Acuda S rubber sheets by a high flight arc with topspin balls due to the grippy surface.
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Is Dima using it?


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I read it will feature the Acuda topsheet, and the Bluefire sponge and will also come in Hard, Medium, and soft. Does anyone know when this rubber will be available in the US? I used to love the Acuda rubbers, but then switched to Bluefire as they had a little more power.
 
I also read that a new Desto will be coming out.  Don't know the details of it either yet, but Desto F3 was my favorite rubber for a long time.
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Hmmm...I read on OOAK that it would be released May 15. This may be it...the magic rubber I've been looking for all my life. The rubber that will take me to 2500!
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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Is Dima using it?
He uses Tenergy. Wink
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Lmao i suspected the same^


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Why are the releasing the older rubbers with new letters like P 3 is my question. joola came up with maxx p and rhyzm P.
Does anyone know what "P" stands for performance, power, Precision ?
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Originally posted by viva viva wrote:

Does anyone know what "P" stands for performance, power, Precision ?]

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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by viva viva wrote:

Does anyone know what "P" stands for performance, power, Precision ?]

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S for selluloid, p for plastic.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Interesting that it would mean plastic, do you guys know what the number stands for as well?
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1 - hard, 2 - medium, 3 - soft?
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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

1 - hard, 2 - medium, 3 - soft?


Thanks ! Is that just for donic?
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if they only knew that making the SPONGE BLUE would sell it so much better 
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Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

if they only knew that making the SPONGE BLUE would sell it so much better 

like yinhe does? lol
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OK...

I ordered a sheet of P3 in red, max a few weeks back and I've had a few sessions with it since.  I've held back from talking in depth about it because I've been testing V>15 Limber a lot and wanted to dedicate more time to that.

Here's a picture of a stack of rubbers:


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Acuda Blue P3
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(btw - Rasant Beat seems to be almost identical to Acuda Blue P3 apart from having a softer 37.5deg sponge)

The topsheet on P3 is really thin.  The picture doesn't do it justice really - hyper thin.  Combined with tall, thin, widely-spaced pips and you get a VERY flexible and soft topsheet.  In terms of construction it's hardly anything like the original Acuda line.  The topsheet is super-grippy, more akin to the current ESN generation.  And the sponge is 40 degrees.  The overall feel is very soft (so imagine how soft Rasant Beat is!), and the rubber had a slight reverse dome out of the packet (but no obvious tuner smell).

The topsheet is really quite something.  It's soft, almost squishy, but really grippy (it actually made my finger sore where it rests on the bottom edge - never had that before).  It doesn't have the severe elastic *snap* you'd usually associate with softer ESN things, and feels a bit more relaxed and pliant.

I've been using it on a WSC-JO with Yinhe seamless, Nittaku Premium+, and was forced to use celluloid in a league match too.

I'd like a bit more time to fill out the details, but here are some headlines and random nonsense:

Speed - Off-, nothing too severe, fast enough.
Throw - Medium-Low in most areas, but brushy contacts can throw the ball up quite sharply (these tend to land mid-table though).
Short game - Pretty good!  It does have some of that light, bouncy feel you'd get with older ESN softies, but toned down from the days of Rakza 7 Soft.  It feels lively in a good-natured way.  I actually like a bit of bounce on my BH side to help with blocking and adding a bit of pace with low-effort shots, so this is quite nice.  A little reactive to incoming spin, especially if the incoming ball speed is high.

Strangely, although it has a pillow-soft feel, it didn't really feel prone to bottoming out.  I probably wouldn't get it in less than Max though.  The main point is - P3 is very easy to use.  It's hard to get it bent out of shape.  It played better in the flat game for me (incredibly easy to counter pretty much anything when close-in, and find the corners or lines at will).  Lifting backspin was also very simple - with any real wrist effort, the sponge is immediately working and it's all gravy.  It looped well too, but the arc/spin wasn't huge, just nice.  

The lack of outright zip, and low-ish throw means that it's more effective when close-in, but the good news is that it's very well behaved on harder strokes so distance play isn't impossible at all.

I'm tempted to give P2 a try to firm things up a touch, but I can't deny that P3 is fun and simple to use.  Hitting flat winners or blocking people off the table is compulsive.  Incoming loops from distance are almost no threat - drive though it or block into the corners.  The soft/grippy combination adds a bit of liveliness back into the plastic ball contact.

I do worry that the uber-thin topsheet might have durability issues.  We will have to see how it goes.

I've gone a little crazy in the last few weeks with rubber purchases, but P3 is the best of the lot for my BH side right now so I'll probably stick with it for a bit.
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He Andy,
could you compare the Donic Acuda Blue P3 to Rakza 7 soft in terms of speed and spin, hardness/softness and throw too. And maybe also the Rasant Beat compared to the Rakza 7 soft, or didnt you try the Rasant Beat yet.

Currently playing with Rakza 7 soft on fh of my normal blade. But I dont like it that much for backhand, so it doesnt work on my modern defence blade (make a lot of points with backhand). Tried Acuda S3 and Stiga Airoc S and several other rubbers, but didnt like these. So really want to try Donic Acuda Blue P3 and Andra Rasant Beat. Hope you can compare them a little to Rakza 7 soft before I order them ;)


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acuda blue p3 sounds like big dipper ......
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Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

acuda blue p3 sounds like big dipper ......

Ooo.  Well, I didn't do a very good job of describing it then!

P3 is muuuuuch softer, in both sponge and topsheet areas.  It's also non-tacky (but very grippy), and throws lower.

The key thing to ask yourself with P3 is...do you like soft, grippy rubbers?  If not, look away immediately.  Also, it has a loose feel, which makes it feel tame overall.  I wouldn't call it high performance as such, but you can get high performance out of it by applying enough effort.

Originally posted by Netbal Netbal wrote:

He Andy, 
could you compare the Donic Acuda Blue P3 to Rakza 7 soft in terms of speed and spin, hardness/softness and throw too. And maybe also the Rasant Beat compared to the Rakza 7 soft, or didnt you try the Rasant Beat yet.


I gave it a brief go on the other side of a setup with Xiom Tau, mainly because I wanted to experience the full-on irony of having one of the hardest sponges on the same blade as one of the softest.  I really should get out more.

It's like P3 only more so. I did feel RB was bottoming out, so it might have crossed the line between "wow this is soft" and total insanity.  It's very loud on flat drives, but feels empty when looping.  I'd say that it probably works well when close-in and hitting/blocking, but might feel too powderpuff for anything else.  It's a touch bouncier too.  I'd like to spend more time with it though.

Whereas P3 does the close-in stuff really well but has enough meat behind it to do other jobs, RB feels more specialised.

Originally posted by Netbal Netbal wrote:


Currently playing with Rakza 7 soft on fh of my normal blade. But I dont like it that much for backhand, so it doesnt work on my modern defence blade (make a lot of points with backhand). Tried Acuda S3 and Stiga Airoc S and several other rubbers, but didnt like these. So really want to try Donic Acuda Blue P3 and Andra Rasant Beat. Hope you can compare them a little to Rakza 7 soft before I order them ;) 

I really think that it depends on why you don't like these rubbers.  These are all pretty popular soft options (although I'm not a huge fan of them these days - I felt that Bluefire M3 and JP03 were better than these in various ways)

P3 is a lot less jumpy/dynamic than R7Soft.  The top end speed is probably the same, but P3 has this almost flaccid low gear which makes it surprisingly linear for such a soft feel rubber.  If you feel that R7S is too bouncy and unpredictable, P3 could be a good option.  If you like R7S for its easy speed, you won't like P3.

P3 is also less jumpy and dynamic than Acuda S3 (and softer too), but the main difference is P3 has a much grippier topsheet.  P3 is easier to use in general play - lifting backspin, driving is child's play with P3, but it lacks cutting edge without commitment from the user.  P3 blocks well, but S3 is better IMO due to topsheet spin sensitivity.

Airoc S is an interesting comparison.  The Airocs are worth talking about in this context because they also lack low-gear dynamism, like P3 in some ways.  The key difference is P3 has a great topsheet for me, which helps with brushy shots and slightly unclean contacts.  Airoc has a grippier topsheet than other recent Stiga rubbers, but it's still a bit slick IMO and you need a solid contact on the ball for it to work.  P3 is far more forgiving with its contact grip, is a bit slower than Airoc S overall (and more sensitive to incoming spin), and (important for me) has a much nicer feel on impact than Airoc S, which always felt vague and muffled to me.

The Airoc comparison is useful actually.  I used Airoc S&M for a good while last season, and I felt that they were so, so close to being great for my game.  If only they were a bit grippier, and maybe a bit less dynamic.  Well, P3 is almost that perfect version of Airoc S for my BH game, and I'm really curious to see if P2 could be a similar experience WRT Airoc M.
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So P3 has a 40deg sponge...hmm. I wonder how close it plays to Maxxx400. I haven't liked the bluefires I've tried; topsheet felt mushy compared to Maxxx.
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Thanks Andy,

I think the Rasant Beat might be interesting for me. On my attacking blade I play with Tibhar Nimbus Sound, this has probably one the softest sponge from all rubbers (32,5).
It has a really high catapult and I quite like this. It has excellent control, a lot of speed and I think its suited for most playing styles. But its a love it or hate it rubber. Several other people with different playing styles love it, but some other people really hate the Nimbus Sound.
Im looking for something between Rakza 7 soft and Nimbus sound. I dont mind the catapult/jumpy in low gear, because of my touch. I dislike the rubbers which arent that springy in low gears.
Just Nimbus Sound isnt good for pushing with backspin and can be quite sensitive to spin, so not that good for modern defense.

Acuda S3 was decent, but when I actively block, punch block it doesnt give the same balls as with Nimbus Sound. This rubber is so soft I can give a dead ball which opponents often block in the net.

The Airoc S had a weird feeling to it, hard to describe it. Maybe 'dead' feeling is the best description. I could easily spin the balls, but it just didnt feel right.  Also didnt think it was that fast on my Hurricane Long 3.

Will leave short review if I test the Rasant Beat and the Acuda Blue P3
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thanks for the review Andy. I played with Desto F3 then F3 Big Slam, then moved on to Acuda S3, and then finally moved on to M3 (all in max). I really loved the way F3 and Big Slam played but they didn't have as much spin as S3 and they didn't last nearly as long.  Then along comes M3 and after I got used to a slightly harder sponge I couldn't go back. That being said I was really looking forward to trying out Acuda Blue, but after reading Andy's review I think I'll just skip it.  I have switched to JP-03 now from M3 as it's slightly tacky and I think the slight tackiness helps with the poly ball. 
Quick question Andy...do you think JP-02 would be worth trying out if I want a little more zip, or should I just stay with JP-03?
 
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

So P3 has a 40deg sponge...hmm. I wonder how close it plays to Maxxx400. I haven't liked the bluefires I've tried; topsheet felt mushy compared to Maxxx.


The Acuda blues would be risky for you mate. They are the ultimate in topsheet mush. They are easy to use but are miles away from Maxx's feel.
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

That being said I was really looking forward to trying out Acuda Blue, but after reading Andy's review I think I'll just skip it.
After reading Andy's excellent review, I feel that JP03 / M3 users would be better off trying P2 rather than P3.

BTW: anyone using rubbers like JP03 should keep a bottle of Falco Tempo Long handy - they aren't as durable (as harder rubbers like T05 / MX-P) and feel better after a slight re-tuning after about 1.5 months. They also last a lot longer that way.
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Originally posted by Netbal Netbal wrote:

Will leave short review if I test the Rasant Beat and the Acuda Blue P3

You'd probably prefer Rasant Beat out of the two.  You can play some stinging flat drives with it with laser accuracy, and it does have a more lively low gear.  It was annoying me tonight - I hit the top of the net a lot with it.  Just slightly too low throw, but I could definitely get used to it.  And it blocks incredibly well.

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

After reading Andy's excellent review, I feel that JP03 / M3 users would be better off trying P2 rather than P3.

I blush, but you are right.  I'm going to try P2 next myself.

I had a short session tonight with the yinhe ball and I did get the sense that P3 was stalling a little on touchy shots.  Earlier in the week it was perfect with the Nittaku Premium, probably the harder feel helped a bit.  It could be a touch too soft overall, even for me.

Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

Quick question Andy...do you think JP-02 would be worth trying out if I want a little more zip, or should I just stay with JP-03?

Yes.  JP02 isn't just a slightly harder JP03 though - it has a different type of sponge altogether.  It plays more direct and is definitely faster, so it would definitely give you more pace.  It doesn't quite have that smooth feel on loops that you get with JP03 though.


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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

[QUOTE=Netbal]Will leave short review if I test the Rasant Beat and the Acuda Blue P3

You'd probably prefer Rasant Beat out of the two.  You can play some stinging flat drives with it with laser accuracy, and it does have a more lively low gear.  It was annoying me tonight - I hit the top of the net a lot with it.  Just slightly too low throw, but I could definitely get used to it.  And it blocks incredibly well.

Not sure about this but I thought soft rubbers are worse than hard rubbers for blocking? This is one of the reasons which I chose not to opt for Rasant Beat - could you clarify this for me please?
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Not sure about this but I thought soft rubbers are worse than hard rubbers for blocking? This is one of the reasons which I chose not to opt for Rasant Beat - could you clarify this for me please?

Well, I guess it's all down to preference, or style.  I've always found softer rubbers easier to block with (esp on my BH side) because they tend to keep the ball low, and tend to be slightly bouncy which helps me too.  I suppose I'm talking more about passive blocking here.  For punching I do prefer a harder sponge.
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Andy, how's the spin of RB and P3 compared to other popular tensors? Or to Haifu Shark RS Big smile

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