Make your forehand loop even more powerful!

If you read my above posts you understand that a fh loop begins with the feet, legs, waist and then the arm should be loose and going along for the ride. So.. there is not much thought about the shoulder. If you are concerned about that then your form is wrong. The only thing your shoulder should do is drop slightly when you are looping against underspin. 

illi and zeio, Will look into your input little more over the next few days.  Now I remember I asked my coach about this a while back but can't remember what she said.  Will ask next time I see her

jrscatman wrote: tom wrote: illi and zeio, Will look into your input little more over the next few days.  Now I remember I asked my coach about this a while back but can't remember what she said.  Will ask next time I see her Tom,  Here is a video from the world of Tennis. See if this might help.  I think if you started another thread on this you might have gotten more responses. Thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7bBDFJSWsc

tom wrote: illi and zeio, Will look into your input little more over the next few days.  Now I remember I asked my coach about this a while back but can't remember what she said.  Will ask next time I see her

Ringer84 wrote: For me, I never really think about turning at the shoulders, but at the hips.  It's impossible to rotate your hips without the shoulders going along for the ride, so I just think about turning at the hips to ensure both lower and upper body rotation occurs.

of course the hips and the weight transfers would be the major force, but it doesn't mean you can't supplement it

tom wrote: Ringer84 wrote: For me, I never really think about turning at the shoulders, but at the hips.  It's impossible to rotate your hips without the shoulders going along for the ride, so I just think about turning at the hips to ensure both lower and upper body rotation occurs. of course the hips and the weight transfers would be the major force, but it doesn't mean you can't supplement it

I guess the shoulders "supplement" the stroke, but I would never consciously think about using my shoulders in a FH loop.  If you snap your hips through the ball, the shoulders will snap through together with them. I doubt that any high level player gives much thought to what their shoulder is doing, except to possibly lower it slightly to lift heavy underspin,  like Illinischamp said.  I am not a high level player, however, so I'm ready and willing to be corrected.

To me, there are only 3 things that truly matter in a FH loop stroke:

1) proper arm movement (swing plane) that corresponds to where the ball is in its trajectory

2) hip rotation and initiating the swing from the hips

3) proper timing (contact point)




Edited by Ringer84 - 07/03/2015 at 2:08pm

Ringer84 wrote: tom wrote: Ringer84 wrote: For me, I never really think about turning at the shoulders, but at the hips.  It's impossible to rotate your hips without the shoulders going along for the ride, so I just think about turning at the hips to ensure both lower and upper body rotation occurs. of course the hips and the weight transfers would be the major force, but it doesn't mean you can't supplement it I guess the shoulders "supplement" the stroke, but I would never consciously think about using my shoulders in a FH loop.  If you snap your hips through the ball, the shoulders will snap through together with them. I doubt that any high level player gives much thought to what their shoulder is doing, except to possibly lower it slightly to lift heavy underspin,  like Illinischamp said.  I am not a high level player, however, so I'm ready and willing to be corrected. To me, there are only 3 things that truly matter in a FH loop stroke: 1) proper arm movement (swing plane) that corresponds to where the ball is in its trajectory 2) hip rotation and initiating the swing from the hips 3) proper timing (contact point)

there is nothing wrong with your points.  what brought this up for me is that having not thinking about it for a while, I was trying to snap back to the ready position quickly from a loop drive and is debating whether my follow thru position which included the shoulders is too much.  Without access to my coach at that time is the reason I raised the question a few days back.  I am going to trim back on it for sure as I generated enough power without a big follow thru last night