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mjamja 
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Sharon is currently USATT rated at 2567. Ethan wins 1 game and other game scores are close so a mid 2400 rating is not ruled out by this match. Of course one loss is not much upon which to make a rating assessment. Mark
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Here is a relevant datapoint:
http://tabletennisengland.co.uk/news/walsh-runs-top-seed-close-in-portugal/ Apparently, Ethan met Sharon Alguetti in the last 16 of the Cadet Boys’ Singles at the Portugal Junior & Cadet Open, and lost 1-3 (7-11, 12-10, 7-11, 9-11). |
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Posted: 11/19/2015 at 5:47pm |
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I'm usually interested in having an idea of the level in different countries, especially when people in this forum are mainly from the US and talk in terms of US ratings. Simon's a good excuse to get into that. Nothing wrong with your estimations Dave!
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We moved on from you a long time ago - read the thread if you are that interested.
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We moved on from you a long time ago - read the thread if you are that interested.
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You know you just can't win when you guess someone's rating on this threads. I'm just going to stop trying. If I say he looks like a 2500 player, some members will say are you crazy, he's only 2250. And when I said mid 2100, then went back and watched more closely and came back to say mid 2300 I still can't win. It's really hard to guess someone's rating based on just 1 match, especially when you don't know either player. If you watched me play some 1700 player and have a close match you'd probably just estimate my rating to be around 1800 or slightly higher. Many times a player just plays down to their competitors level. It isn't until you see them play against a really strong opponent that you see their best. The point is he's a good player and probably mid 2300 or maybe even 2400 or better, but who really cares. I doubt if Simon cares. He's got a good game and I enjoyed the video so thanks for posting. Just don't hang someone if they give their opinion after watching a few minutes of some video clip. On to the next thread.
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Michael Levene, who's the main reference in Ben's conversion article, is now 2200 when he was ranked 57 in the 90's at his best, on a list that probably only contained British players.
It's quite unlikely that Noutch, who's 61 in the extended list, is only a mid 2200 player. Obviously standards change, players come and go, but I think it's very unlikely. I also had a knock with a 2300 player and felt he was within my reach (I'm about 200 in the extended list), while Noutch isn't. It's only one data point though. |
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Did you watch this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FojmLbqw8Xw
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The person he has in mind is #25 on this list: http://www.etta.co.uk/etta_website/RankPages/RankingPages/SeniorMen.htm
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Judging a players level through a video is difficult no reason to get worked up. I gave my best guess. I made the estimate based on what I saw in the video, my first hand experience with a higher-ranked English player, and what I know about USATT rating levels. I really don't think he is 2400 but could be wrong. Post another video and I will reassess.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 at 11:32pm |
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Correct. |
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I am pretty sure he's at least in the mid-to-high 2400's. I know a number of ex-Chinese provincial players in that range presently living in the U.S. who can more than hang with him.
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His defense was extremely good on my view. He will continue to get better ay reading the game and causing people problems. Not sure how fad that will get him, but he is clearly adapting at every level so far. |
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What is that? oh you mean veterans ! what ever, if TK5 watches the British league clips and still thinks Simon Noutch is below 2400 when he's playing the best players in UK and is competing on level terms he loses my respect.
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APW46,.ghostzen, he might mean the citizens/ranking list.
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Ethan is number one English under 14, ranking/rating wise he's come from way down recently in the men. He beat me 11-0 in one game last season.
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I'm surprised how high the younger player in video is number 99 in England
he does get good angles on his backhand but seems far to vulnerable on the fringes as he has slow footwork, kind of sticks his bat out late on backhand and a 1 step to forehand movement that exposes any looping down the line Im not saying he isn't where he belongs by earning his ratings , just saying that a flat footed player must be good to be able to beat good movers
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You really think Trumpuskas ( ex Lithuanian number 1) is only a USATT 2400 rating ? he beat Darius Knight in the prem British league this year Darius is world ranked around 250 Simon is playing in the British league premier division too and lost to Trumpuskas in 4. I think you are way way out on this. Here is a round up of the first premier British league weekend this season, both Simon Noutch and Trumpy feature. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FojmLbqw8Xw
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Trump is a good player
. You must be pretty handy yourself. |
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Currently #25. I thought he was higher ranked though, so maybe he's not significantly higher than Simon. I really think Simon is in the 2250-2350 level.
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Who was that ?
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I didn't look at rating central, I know that doesn't mean much. I've played and trained with a English player ranked significantly higher than him and he wasn't solid 2400+. I would say 2350-2400 level but not solid 2400+.
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yes, my bad, I should have looked at the ratings list rather than the rankings, as for Ratings central, I've always thought that is wildly inaccurate.
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Really good point NL I was just looking at the UK ratings list actually. |
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So it goes back to Simon being 35 amongst British Citizens and the top 100 US list containing even temporary residents. Your ratings list even if imperfect would be a more valid comparison than the rankings list as the ratings list contains the temporary immigrants. I believe Simon is 61 on that list. Finally, as APW46 pointed out, the players being mentioned like Xiao and Molla have been significantly higher at other points in their careers. They are going through inactive/rusty/coaching periods. I think Noutch's Ratings Central rating does him a bit of a disservice but I don't always know what to do with those. That's probably where the 2250 estimate from TK5 is coming from.
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If you read through my posts, I have never mentioned Zaman Molla, he was quoted as being ranked outside the USATT top 50, and obviously chosen as a particularly strong example, seeing as he has been in the top 10 until relatively recently. Having played Simon many times, he's a rock solid 2400+ and plays at British league Div 1 in the number 1 position. |
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I'm not being funny but I just find it really strange that you can have guys in the Semi's or finals of the US Table Tennis Championships that are ranked outside the top 30 and a couple of guys outside the top 50 or even lower. Why aren't the other players playing in the event?. Does the US have such a strong grass level TT now that guys like Han and Zaman who it looks like could have played internationally a while back are only ranked at that level?. If thats the case Kudos 100%. I know the UK semi and finals are very rarely played by anyone ranked outside the top 5 or 10. Edited by ghostzen - 11/18/2015 at 11:10am |
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I thought we have already established this. If you compare US olympic eligible players to top English players then the level is comparable (except for the fact that England has a much much stronger top 5). If you compare the USATT top 100 list that includes all players currently residing in the United States the US is substantially stronger (again minus the very top). This Simon Noutch guy ranked #35 who is probably 2250, isn't even good enough to practice with Zaman Molla or Han Xiao.
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Thank you
for the thorough and insightful responses!
I chose the first video because I enjoy watching matches between people from different age groups (such as those involving adults and talented kids/teenagers). I agree that the two players are unlikely to have difficulties against any competitors with a rating below 2200. As for the second
clip – the guy with the red shirt and the black shorts (Daniel Ivanov) is
considered to be among the most talented young players of P.D. Edited by Philior Phimellus - 11/18/2015 at 6:12am |
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