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Brett Clarke
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Thanks NextLevel, I think the app still has a way to go before being ridiculously good, though it's a big improvement from where it was. We are going to introduce a passive watching module where you just view the serves at reduced speed to help with learning. The type of spin will be printed on the screen. This module should be available in a week's time. William Henzell's backspin and nospin serve will be in the next update too. Although Henzell served mostly tomahawk, he had a very deceptive backspin/nospin variation.
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qpskfec
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Brett,
Great job on the latest update. Here's a few suggestions: Add a tracer line to serves and display multiple serves simultaneously. This will show the speed/trajectory difference between different types of serves. On your youtube video for the snake serve, you do a side by side comparison between the snake and non snake serve. A mode to do this for serves in the app would be nice. Another option for comparison would be to superimpose images. For example, for multiball down the line versus cross court, superimpose both shots on top of each other so body positioning can be compared. You will need to do some video filtering and sync work, but the output could also be used on your youtube channel, so the work can be multipurpose, spreading out your cost across platforms. |
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Brett Clarke
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IOS update is now available.
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Brett Clarke
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Thanks for your feedback and support. I like the side-by-side and superimpose ideas. This sort of thing requires a lot of time, but I've recorded it for consideration.
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Brett Clarke
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Here's the 14th of May update info.
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Brett Clarke
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The non competitive mode is implement, as you suggested. I'm considering taking everything out but the ball and seeing if people can read the spin by the reaction. This would just be an option, of course. Here is an overview of where the app is at. |
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Brett Clarke
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IOS update now available.
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qpskfec
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Nice job on the update.
What is your general thought about the importance of the sound of contact? Do you teach people to listen to the sound to determine if the serve is no spin versus topspin/backspin? As far as I can tell, in the serve game mode, the backspin/no spin has the same sound. Are you using the same sound for all contact? (I have been practicing lately with a chopper who is pretty good at mixing in a no spin chop occasionally. I have been trying to listen to the contact, so I have also been trying to apply this to serve receive.) BTW, I really like the receiver's edge video with the side by side and overlay. It would be interesting to see if I can hear the difference in a no spin versus spin serve. |
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Brett Clarke
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The topic of sound is interesting. I feel that sound is a cue however it's often not there when you need it. You may be playing in a noisy hall or the opponent may be stamping their foot. Most of the time in competition, the sound won't be there for you.
You are right, we used generic sound in the app. I might consider changing that one day. There were technical reasons for this decision. In relation to the Receiver's Edge series, Part 2 is available and it's about backspin and nospin. The original sound is included. The video is an exclusive for ttEDGE members and it's unlikely to ever appear on YouTube.
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Brett Clarke
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Update available for Android users. IOS will hopefully be a day or two. I'll make a video tomorrow.
- Added a 3rd pendulum serve - Added a 3rd multiball forehand topspin - Added a 2nd multiball backhand topspin - Improved the UI
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mickd
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Thanks Brett. This app is really getting better and better. Really looking forward to future updates.
I'm wondering, do you have any plans at the moment to do a major overhaul of the UI? While what you have at the moment works, I'm hoping it'll be given a more modern style design sometime in the future :) I also think this will help attract a lot more people.
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Brett Clarke
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Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "modern style" and "overhaul of the UI". You are obviously comparing it to other apps, so I'm hoping you can be specific about what you want. Maybe you can point us towards some apps you consider modern and we can take a look.
I really appreciate your input however the advice is too general. I feel like you've said "improve the app" and left it at that. We generally try to implement what users want as long as it is something tangible.
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qpskfec
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Tried the new update on 2 phones.
In multiball, the speed bonus is now always 0 after each game. BH/FH/block, same thing, always 0. I usually saw a speed bonus of 900-1000 before the update. Speed bonus on serves is ok. |
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Brett Clarke
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The speed bonuses and smileys have been tightened up significantly. Let me know if you like it or hate it. This app is a long way off being finished. |
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NextLevel
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It's an ego deflator but I will accept it.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Brett Clarke
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I know. I find Trevor's backhand and forehand really hard to read and my usual early anticipation isn't going that well. I can get 2 smileys pretty often, though I'm making a bunch of mistakes and I'm surprised every single time. It's good training though. |
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qpskfec
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I have mostly ignored the speed bonus because the number pre update was always about the same so therefore not interesting.
It would be interesting to see a graph of actual reaction times for a session and maybe a way to compare sessions over time. |
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Brett Clarke
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Thanks qpskfec, the graph stuff obviously needs to be in the app eventually. We actually have bigger plans than just a graph. At the moment we are focused on filling the app with more shots which is a surprisingly big job. Once that's done, we can work on other things.
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Brett Clarke
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Here's a video with the new features.
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Brett Clarke
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IOS update is now available.
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Brett Clarke
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Latest update on IOS and Android is now available.
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Brett Clarke
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Latest update for Android. IOS is a couple of days away
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mickd
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Great update. I'm sure you guys have heaps planned for the future already, but one thing I would like to see is the ability to have shots played continuously.
What I mean by that is if you get it right (or even if you get it wrong, depending on preference), the screen doesn't pause for a short period before the next ball. This way it should mimic a real rally a lot better. Ideally, the ball would be returned at a speed similar to a real rally. Keep up the great work.
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JacekGM
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It might be only me... sorry... but I feel that the title of this thread is misleading. Perhaps it might be called "How one inexpensive and table tennis related smart phone app affects your brain" ?
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Brett Clarke
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IOS update is now available
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Brett Clarke
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Android update is ready now and IOS will be available on Monday or Tuesday.
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slevin
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I get problems in the 'games' section on my Android device.
I choose 'tap' instead of 'swipe'. However, many taps do not register. This does not happen in other parts of the app. BTW: could you add a pause button during the slow-mo replay section of the serves module? Great work! |
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qpskfec
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Nice update.
+1 on slevin's comments I have tried the game mode on 2 phones. I have no idea if my tap isn't registering or I am too slow. Maybe there should be "easy, med, hard" modes so players can actually tell what is happening. To be more useful, I would like to see an option for feedback on reaction time. Maybe a bar with a tick marks for my reaction time versus what is needed to win the point. Another option to have voice recognition. For example you could say "right/left/topspin/backspin" etc. instead of tapping/swiping. It would be interesting to see the difference between voice and physical contact. I expect using voice will be a bit faster. |
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Brett Clarke
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You need to be quick to stay in the rally. If the ball passes the end line, William takes the point. The multiball section is designed differently and allows for users to be much slower.
Next week there will be different levels - beginner, intermediate, advanced and pro. There will also be a match against Trevor. The existing game against William is intermediate level, so train hard! |
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IOS update is available for download
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