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rocketman222
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MX-P lasted me 2.5 months roughly before the spin starts to dry off, i'll be happy if t05 can beat that
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ahsq
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how many days a week and how long a day did you play to last 2.5 months?
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rocketman222
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3 times a week and 2 hours each time
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NextLevel
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You just like New rubber I guess. Or have a really strong forehand.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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rocketman222
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My game is forehand oriented, always trying to loop everything on that side + doing a lot of spinny pendulum serves using the forehand rubber. Explains why that an identical rubber on my backhand usually lasts 2x time than the forehand
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Only twice the forehand means you like new rubber.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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rocketman222
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sorry, but i did not get your logic
Edited by rocketman222 - 04/08/2016 at 1:51am |
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NextLevel
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BH rubber almost never needs changing unless you spin hard. It's more of a vanity thing with most people.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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rocketman222
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Did not know, i change rubber when it starts losing grip, and it starts to feel like you can no longer grab the ball while opening backspin
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NextLevel
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Do you use a rubber revitalizer/cleaner once a month? It might save you some money.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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SmackDAT
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How do you deal with this? Do you replace forehand rubbers twice as often, or even twiddle? |
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rickywinataa
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I thought rubber cleaners are meant to be used almost every time after you're playing? |
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PointEngineer
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It still does not seem to me the sponge is softer with T05 eg after separating from topsheet (but there is not a huge difference and I don't have any kind of force gauge nor any other rigorous measurement to back that up). Sponge is very slightly thicker on the T05 despite being supposedly if anything thinner than the MX-P's possible 2.2. The pips are slightly larger with T05 and the space between smaller, and certainly overall more dense pips surface area. T05 is much more difficult to separate the sponge from suggesting the glue is indeed stronger but it it could be due to the slightly larger pips giving a stronger bond too. |
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rocketman222
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I wipe with a sponge using water before each time i go out to play
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rocketman222
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Yeah i don't exactly time them to be replaced twice, but this has been my observation, my backhand rubber always lasts longer and i can't twiddle cause i don't use the same rubber, atleast back in the day i had 2 mark Vs(like everyone else lol) and i would turn the bat around after the forehand rubber started declining.
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SmackDAT
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Ahh I see, I guess twiddling would be a good idea, might be a bit OCD though Unfortunate that you are using different rubbers on both sides so you can't twiddle...
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PointEngineer
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MX-P max is approx 2g heavier than T05 max for the cut sheets I have (cut for standard size blade, eg Boll ALC).
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Water is good enough for that. Rubber cleaners are for deep dirt situations.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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seguso
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I am using T05 now and I think I get why this rubber is so good. The sponge is not porous like mx-p or m1. So it does not bottom out, even if it is softer than mx-p and m1. This explains why it seems softer to some people and harder to others. If you focus on the fact that the ball sinks in the sponge even at low power, you feel it soft. If you focus on the fact that it does not bottom out, you feel it hard.
Unfortunately, tibhar and donic chose to make big-pored sponges, with the MX-P series and the bluefire M series. But the problem with porous sponges is that, if they are soft (45, 42.5) they bottom out, and if they are hard, they don't bottom out but you must always hit hard, otherwise you get no spin. It is true that tibhar and donic more recently made some small-pored sponges like T05: they are the JP series and the MX-S series. But MX-s has no 45 deg version yet, and the 45 deg version of JP (i.e. JP02) is much slower than T05, if I recall correctly. Why is that, I wonder? |
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PointEngineer
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I certainly find for most of my shots (which rarely bottom out due to me playing a more slower spin oriented style) that T05 'feels' harder whatever that means. What we could do with which might not be too difficult to test is probably around 4 static hardness measures for the rubber as a whole (topsheet+sponge) If I was to estimate I would say something like 1kg, 5kg, 10kg, 20kg (on top of a single ball) equivalents would give a real picture of hardness including the bottoming out scenario. These numbers are based on acceleration estimates with a contact (dwell) time range estimate of 0.5-1.5ms. Using a hardball (eg 40mm steel ballbearing) you could measure the diameter of contact with some powder on the ball leaving some on the rubber, and/or measure the deflection. This would give an idea of feel for non-spin oriented shots at 4 different speeds, but NOT any spin oriented shots.
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slevin
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+1. The JP02 is also quite low throw (because of its softer topsheet). A shout-out to the Donic Acuda Blue P2. Small-pored 45 deg rubber. Due to it's soft topsheet, it feels super soft when you hold the sheet in your hand. But, unlike Rasant Grip and the EL-P, it won't bottom out as quickly on the harder strokes. Donic is very close - just match that sponge with a slightly harder topsheet (perhaps one like the Xiom Omega V Europe) and you're there.
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Bran
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The P2 is even lower throw, with its ultra soft topsheet. It makes flat hits, blocking and loop driving very easy, but it's really not meant for pure loopers and people who like spinning up. It's a peculiar rubber.
I suspect the T05 topsheet explains why it's hard to bottom out compared to other rubbers with same sponge hardness: its structure (hardness and pimple density, dimensions) makes it so that it spreads the ball pressure on a larger surface, hence it's much harder to compress the sponge (picture pressing on a sponge with a finger vs with the palm, much harder to compress in the second case). On the other hand, if you have a softer topsheet that dips very locally, the ball pressure is much more localised, hence it's easier to compress the sponge for the same incoming ball properties. |
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seguso
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Slevin, I bought the p2 for that reason, but sold it immediately because it was incredibly slow and very low throw. With Clipper CR, a fast blade, I could not finish the point. And I had to change my stroke completely. I suppose I could get used to the new stroke, but I don't know about the lack of power. I also seem to recall it felt like it was bottoming out, unlike t05, but I am not sure.
Edited by seguso - 04/21/2016 at 2:22pm |
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slevin
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Seguso: A problem with composite blades is that soft-sponged rubbers bottom out quicker. So, EL-P on Virtuoso would not bottom out as quickly but the EL-P on MJ-SZLC does.
I tried the Acuda Blue P2 on the MJ-SZLC (a OFF+ composite and it was great). Even Rakza 9 (which Yasaka incorrectly claims is harder than Rakza 7) bottomed out on that blade but this rubber did not. And perhaps, the composite & high throw nature of the blade is a perfect match for its topsheet softness. BTW: I would use it as a BH rubber only.
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Bran
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I also think the Acuda P series is best on composite blades.
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Magic_M
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Yes, P1 on Zhang Jike ALC fits really good
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DreiZ
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In other non related news,
FTL boosted mxp loops like butter. Switching back to 2.0 MXP both sides :) Edited by DreiZ - 04/29/2016 at 8:03pm |
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