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    Posted: 08/03/2016 at 5:23pm
Got one in a few days ago figured i would share a few pics



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What's the weight and thickness?
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Weight was 89 grams. Dont have my caliper here but its slightly thicker than a rosewood XO so i am guessing right around 6mm

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I have two of them.  I like them, but one in particular is as good as any of the Viscarias I have owned.  That one is 92 g.

Plays like a Butterfly ALC blade pretty much, my good one is just a touch faster than my Viscaria blades.  The other one is a bit slower and definitely lighter.  The ST handle is roundish and very comfortable.

The fact that it is quite "Viscaria-like" is not surprising from just looking at it.  I don't have calipers but it looks to be exactly the same thickness.
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Nice fish scaling surface like Vis and TBS as well. Maybe they use the same wood?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kindof99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/03/2016 at 9:46pm
How about Ovtcharov Feat? It appears to be a very light blade.
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I haven't tried or seen one of those yet.
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The color of the handle layers is that of the Germany flag. Amazing. 
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How's the balance of it as well? I always thought BTY blades have the best balance.
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Ovtcharov True Carbon is out of stock at TT11. I luckily played an order yesterday and hopefull will get it next week. I hope it is as beautiful as it was shown here.
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They have them at Megaspin now I think.
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

How's the balance of it as well? I always thought BTY blades have the best balance.


I agree about Btfly balance.  The better of the two that I have is just as good.
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Here are some facts about the blade with ST handle:
 
blade thickness: 5,6 mm, ALC is about 5,7 mm, old Viscaria and first Boll Spirits had about 5,8 mm
handle wideness: rear 29,0 mm to front 28,65 mm ALC about. 27,60 mm
handle thickness: 23,35 - 23,50, ALC Standard ST has about 22,40 mm
handle length: 100,35 - 100,50 mm
handle radius: not squarish, but also not round as an Donic Waldner senso V1 handle

The problem is the handle wideness I think and also the handle thickness is a little bit too much
the handle feels first comfortable when you just hold it in your hand but when it comes to play with it the handle don't let me play the way I want to because the dimensions are more for very big hands with long fingers. I have average sized hands and I'm 1,81 m tall, For me I like the Korbel SK7 ST handle, it has handle thickness 22,80 mm and wideness 28,50 mm- nice to handle and play with, handle radius is nearly same but not as big as True Carbon.

the blade is not head heavy at all and I don't like that much , because I played most time those head heavy blades- is needed for a powerfull play in my eyes.
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Found a google pic of Viscaria ST and the dimension is quite close to the True Carbon ST. Viscaria ST is 29.1mm x 22.7mm x 100.5mm. True Carbon ST measured 29.2mm x 23.1mm x 100.5mm. To me it is easily the best blade coming out of Donic. 
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It seems your Viscaria ST was sanded down in thickness and wideness. Original old Viscaria has wideness of exact 30,50 mm and thickness for sure not 22,7 mm, rather clearly more than yours- I have original one at home. With what kind of aid did you meassure the handle ?
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Hello again, that picture you saw was not from an original Viscaria ST, As nikolaygorbach said in his post it was a custom made viscaria and not made after the original dimensions, thats a big difference.
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Original Viscaria ST size


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/04/2014 at 2:59pm
is that a bty custom in the picture?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/04/2014 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by in2spin in2spin wrote:

is that a bty custom in the picture?

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I see. Thanks. BTW I think it is not a bad idea if Donic is cloning a special order Viscaria ST.Clap

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That's the clou- it is not a clon of Viscaria, it's just a blade you can find anywhere and much cheaper. If you want an clon why don't you buy for example Donic Baum Esprit with ST handle. That blade ist not bad-just the area of the thumb rest is not well made.
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Bytheway that untrue carbon comes from a blademaker soulspin made with cnc 3d machine. Thats all you need to know and your in table tennis heaven, maybe.
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It is not clear where it is made but Donic just released a whole bunch of new blades sharing a similar design and the Zhou Yu series is made in China so there is a reasonable chance that the rest are all made in China too. That picture of Dima in bright red looks so Chinese to me. Wink 

I have two Baum Esprit but they don't come close to Viscaria or even True Carbon. Before True Carbon I love their Crest OFF and WC89 Waldner. But Waldner is simply too thick and Crest OFF's thin and long handle made it less balance and head heavy. Although Crest OFF still wins in absolute power but True Carbon is awesome in about everything. Mine is only 5.55mm and I have it paired with Acuda Blue P1 Turbos. 


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sorry was in a hurry so didn't flip the pics. Here are the blade handle measurements and thickness of blade. 13/32 radius gage fits but its hard to measure perfect so its around 10mm







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Bottom line is that it's a nice new variation on the ALC blade and it comes with a ST handle that I personally like.  True, it is not as round as old Waldner blades but definitely roundish.

It is actually closer to an original Butterfly Viscaria ST in shape and weight balance than the custom made Viscaria ST I ordered from Butterfly last year (but it is definitely a bit faster than the older blades, which is not a bad thing).

I really really like mine.  The one concern I have is that the two True Carbons that I own are a bit more different from each other than I would like.
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Is the fiber in this blade carbon or is it arylate-carbon?
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Is the fiber in this blade carbon or is it arylate-carbon?


It looks like ALC, but the official website doesn't reveal what it is.

"The combination of five high quality plies and two layers of carbon, plus a specially designed synthetic fiber"

http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.item.view&TreeNodeID=34037
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If it's not arylate, it must be something quite similar.
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makes you wonder who is their target.
for almost the same price you can buy a timo boll spirit or a viscaria.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jpenmaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/04/2016 at 12:18pm
The price point of the Donic is much different than Bfly. $90 vs $150. I do remember when Viscaria was $89....but that was a long time ago haha.
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Originally posted by lucifer lucifer wrote:

makes you wonder who is their target.
for almost the same price you can buy a timo boll spirit or a viscaria.

From a very quick google search, I can buy the True Carbon for €87, which is £73 (damn you Brexit, that exchange rate sucks).

I'm not allowed to buy Butterfly products from outside my territory, so I can only get a Viscaria from my official vendors, and their price is fixed at £120.

The True Carbon is 60% of the price of the Viscaria.  And that's with me spending 5 minutes searching - could probably get it cheaper with more effort.

So it's aimed at people like me, I guess?


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timo boll spirit is 135 USD
they should lower the cost, if not they lose many customers to butterfly.


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Originally posted by lucifer lucifer wrote:

timo boll spirit is 135 USD
they should lower the cost, if not they lose many customers to butterfly.

I like how you very specifically pick the cheapest BTY ALC blade to suit your argument.

Shall we say it's aimed at people who were considering the ZJK ALC instead?  Because that's $190.

Regardless, you have it backwards.  It's a cheaper alternative to all these ALC blades, and it might take some customers from Butterfly, who are already the market leader.
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