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mykonos96 
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ok it would be useful if you can get that info,I know a player who visited a club only penhold short pips in japan
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mickd
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Posted: 06/18/2020 at 1:11am |
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I have no idea what the best ones are using, but I can ask around the next time I meet some short pips pen players (which is surprisingly high in my area) what they're using!
The video you quoted are both shakehand players with the old guy using long pips on the backhand.
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Posted: 06/17/2020 at 11:49pm |
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I want to know what are usiing ( rubber blade) the best penhold short pips players in japan
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mickd
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Posted: 06/17/2020 at 11:37pm |
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What it feels like when I play against him is that I need to either try and kill opportunity balls with less spin and more speed instead of putting them on the table safely, or put a lot more topspin on the ball hoping that he floats the next ball so I can smash it instead. My regular loops/drives have a good amount of spin on it, but not enough to trouble him. It's like the perfect amount for him to return haha. Variation would be great, but I'm not sure I'm at a level where I can freely vary the amount of spin per shot without missing too many.
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Posted: 06/17/2020 at 7:33am |
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You need to look at your spin and placement, spin especially. If your best shots are coming back, then you are hardly making him adjust.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Posted: 06/17/2020 at 2:52am |
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That is definitely a very unique strategy lol, you must have a very high percentage and powerful loopkill
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Posted: 06/16/2020 at 10:59pm |
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I just need to practice more against LPs. I mostly serve long but my best attacks all come back. He plays angles very well against me. Long rallies definitely favour him. I'll keep working on the kill shot :) He is also always playing with other 2000-2200ish players. Whereas I usually play with the ~800-1500 players. Two or so years ago, I used to only take 3-4 points off him per set, so I think I'll get him eventually!
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Posted: 06/16/2020 at 8:07pm |
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I play LP'ers different than most, but it works for me. I serve very deep with heavy backspin into the pips. I know I'm going to get topspin back, so when it comes back I try to put it away with my most powerful shot hitting as much as the top of the ball as possible. I want to end the rally with that shot. As soon as your serve plan to kill the ball no matter where it goes. Never mix any sidespin with your serve. My theory is that the longer the rally with a LP'er the more the rally will favor him.
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Posted: 06/16/2020 at 7:09pm |
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As a lefty I thought you had an extreme angle into his deep FH which he would find very hard to defend against haha... Time to work on that killshot!
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Posted: 06/16/2020 at 6:45pm |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
Incredibly impressive old guy. Who is he?? Perhaps, he may be some Japan native ping-pang super star in the past times of 1960's/ I like him so much. |
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Yeah. You'd think so but videos of those type of players are so deceiving... I think that looper is just completely outclassing him. The reason why I can't beat him is because I have no ability to finish the point. So many end up being extremely long rallies and he never misses returning any of my balls. He's not as good as pushblocker for sure, but pushblocker is a very high level player. Also, I'm bad against that style. I do well against inverted players who play with spin. I think the pushblocker in that first video plays at about low 2000. I've seen him win against some very good players (but this is just my opinion so don't attack on it haha).
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Haha yes stiltt, he is a very good player. It's the same player in the second video. He just changed between games! I'll keep working on finding that feel to effortless looping. I will get it... someday!!
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Posted: 06/15/2020 at 11:10pm |
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Guy looks like a Kim Min Seok wannabe haha...he has very good use of the body and large flowing strokes. I would have thought you would be able to beat your clubmate...he doesn't have such a tricky game compared to the resident MyTT pushblocker lol... His serves ain't that tight and he doesn't have a good reverse serve to jam the chiquita. You just gotta play safer shots, simplify the game and attack the deep FH.
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Posted: 06/15/2020 at 10:57pm |
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Hi Mickd, the looper in the 1st video is not only a good player, he is also anatomically gifted in terms of speed and explosiveness. I don't think you train for that, he just got it with his genes. Look at the way he loops effortlessly, focusing every piece of energy into the stroke naturally without any waste, I understand what you really like in him, I am in awe too. I wish I can reach that seemingly effortless play (even older, the spirit can be applied, only slower...) that requires a complex combo of genetics and mindset to use them right for the ping pong thing. From that angle, Lin Gaoyuan comes to mind. Thank you for sharing.
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Posted: 06/15/2020 at 10:06pm |
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It's been awhile since I've posted in this thread. This was a match from late last year. I wanted to post it earlier but forgot all about it until recently. I really like this guy's style. Very strong strokes on both sides. I hope one day to play at that level.
I only recorded part of two of his matches. The first one was against one of my club mates (the pushblocker). My average against the pushblocker is probably 6-7 points per set, occasionally taking sets. He got absolutely destroyed, though. The second match was against someone I don't know. It was a higher level game. When I started to record it was already the 3rd set, with the set count being 1-1. I don't know how the pen long pips player took a set, but maybe the guy needed time to adjust. By chance I also played the pen long pips guy. I lost 3-11, 10-12, 3-11. If you guys were to estimate, what rating would you think he would be? Something I'd love to aim for but might be forever out of my reach. Unfortunately those are the only videos I have of him playing. I'm probably between 1800-1900.
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And here's the brother playing. I'm pretty sure his opponent was 79, and since he is 9, that's 70 years between them, too!
It even went to the final set deuce. Unfortunately, my camera was having overheating issues, so I missed the middle part of the match. I hope I can play as well as these guys (the girl and the boy's opponent) when I'm in my late 70s...
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Posted: 06/21/2018 at 10:15pm |
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About 70 years difference between the two in age. I forgot how old he was exactly, but I think he was 78, plus or minus a year. The older guys plays a lot more angles. He uses short pips on his forehand and has long pips on his backhand, but he doesn't really use it (traditional Jpen style of play). Enjoy!
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It's been awhile since I've posted in this thread! Last weekend I went to a small tournament (maybe about 100 players total) all from the local area.
This year there were 2 little kids playing in the same group as me. They are brother and sister. I'm usually pretty good with kids (it's part of my everyday job) so I got along with them quite well. They were very good players!!  A bit about them. The girl is 8 and the boy is 9. They both started playing 4 years ago. 2 years ago the girl came top 32 in the All Japan Bambi Division Competition (up to year 2). Her brother also went but didn't make it to the main round in the Cub Division (up to year 4), tho he was still in year 3 then. By chance I ended up playing against the girl. It was a very fun match! Here is a short version of the match. Some random highlights plus the last set. At the start of the last set I played a little more serious though (because I still didn't want to lose hehe). There were some really nice rallies from her! At one point she even rallied against me from mid distance. I was really impressed! I hope you enjoy! I also have a video of her versing a fellow club mate in his late 70s. That was also a good match so once I edit the video I'll post it here too! And I have a video of her brother versing another club mate in his late 70s too. That was also a really good match! :) So look forward to them!
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Hey all. It's been awhile since I've posted in this thread! This is from a local beginners only tournament this week. Everyone sitting in the picture below is competing! There are 2 categories. 7th graders and 8th graders. Boys and girls compete separately. There is a condition though. For 7th graders, they must have been playing table tennis for less than a year. For 8th graders, less than two years. Also, previous top 4 winners can't compete in the following year.  This is some of the girls' finals for the 7th graders (playing less than a year): And this is some of the boy's semi finals for the 8th graders (playing less than 2 years): Hope you enjoy! EDIT: Oh, I should probably mention this, too! Nearly all of the participants would have started playing only 4 months ago (when the school year starts and they join a school club). That said, the ones in the semi finals or higher probably started a little before that.
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No problem! There are a lot of penholders over here; usually the older generation. Though in that particular game, the oldest person was actually the only one using the shakehand grip.
Here is another video of old vs young. I don't remember their exact ages, but the young guy is about 24 and the old guy is about 63. The old guy uses long pimples on the red side. Unfortunately, some of the match is missing due to data corruption on my hdd (I've replaced it now). One one of the points the old guy actually did a cartwheel to return the ball, and won the point. He was out of my camera's range and because of the data corruption, I'm not sure if it was one of the points that got lost. But I think it might have been the one at 3:31. I just remember thinking the young girl laughed after he missed. Enjoy! Edited by mickd - 04/10/2017 at 12:22am |
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Posted: 04/08/2017 at 9:39am |
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Nice, thanks a lot for sharing. Three penholders out of 4 players, that's pretty unusual for me... that's more than all the penholders playing in my area in France haha
 Thanks again and do not hesitate to share again, it's always a pleasure ! |
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Yeah, the older guy's (with less hair) daughter played Ishikawa Kasumi in the top 8 and lost in the recent All Japan tournament.
This was all I could find on youtube. |
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nice
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Been awhile since I've posted in this thread! Here is a short clip of a doubles game from a recent tournament I went to.
Old vs Young! The old guys are 52 and 59 years old. I don't know about the young ones. Probably early 20s. This was all I was able to record. I only cut out the time between points. The young guy does a nice backhand at 1:19, and the girl had a big forehand winner at 1:01 and 1:51. Sorry it's only about 1 set. Edited by mickd - 04/04/2017 at 12:53am |
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Me playing the young guy in the video in the OP. Even toying around he can beat me easily :) It was a fun match!
I screwed up the points and serve once, but it was just a friendly match, anyway! Oops!! Edited by mickd - 12/25/2016 at 7:25am |
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You're welcome, everyone! As long as people are interested in seeing the matches, I'll keep posting :)
I wish I could see the penholder play when he was young. A lot of people in this area have a lot of respect for him. He also organises a lot of the tournaments in this prefecture.
@JacekGM I know you're not a girl :) I just wanted to mention that a lot of middle school females use long pimples, and since I'm active at a table tennis club for middle school students, I end up having a lot more videos from that age group. |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 at 9:08am |
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The old master plays at ~ 2250-2300 level.
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Oh, mickd, I am not a girl... I am 50+ man. I am using pips mainly because a few years back I had a "rotator cuff" condition in my playing shoulder that, even after it healed, basically eliminated my BH loop, which BTW has never been good before that happened anyways. Still, watching LP shakehand play from real-life players is always of interest to me. You are providing us with lots interesting penhold player examples. I bet you can find some SH players, too.
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Thanks. It is a pleasure to watch the old Japanese style. This guy probably started playing when Shigeo Ito, Mitsuru Kohno and later Seiji Ono dominated table tennis at international level.
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Looks like a very solid penhold player.
====================== Japan's top players on the world stage, there is only ONE penhold player - Yoshida Kaii. ----------------------------------------- Yet, look at other tables in the video, there are quite a few penhold players. mickd, thanks for sharing the video.
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