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jpenmaster
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Posted: 11/25/2016 at 10:19am |
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tiehwen
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FS or For Showing off?
Back to Shkhnd these days? I like my IF ALC ST better than MMaze but still prefer An. handle 'cuz I'm just an odd ball.... Awaiting for your "disposal".....LOL Edited by tiehwen - 11/25/2016 at 11:17am |
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jpenmaster
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Just letting the forum see it. They just came out in Japan last week so I figured I would share
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tiehwen
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S = Special edition. I think...
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Jasonh
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That's what Butterfly does, change one ply and raise the price.
Edited by Jasonh - 11/25/2016 at 1:02pm |
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lukaparuk
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Could you give us , some review for this blade... I think to buy this blade & for me will be useful some feedback from the players ... I see that the blade is more thin , when we compare this blade with IF ALC ( Standard ) I think will be slower a little.. maybe the touch also will be also a little marked due to the thinner blade. I like the blade when the touch is marked very welll.. & i think that touch from this blade will be more crystal ( arylat carbon ) So , i'm very curious about this blade.. BTF sells also another blade - new Innerforce ZLF. So if ALC.s will be bad choice maybe i will buy IF ZLF. Thanks for the support Lukasz |
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notgooord
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2nd ply spruce
Normal innerforce 2nd ply limba Would be a bit harder and faster than normal one. Edited by notgooord - 11/26/2016 at 8:15am |
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jpenmaster
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I would have given a review already but i just had my gallbladder removed so I am out of action for a couple weeks . I have T05 and TO5 FX to try on it. I was not expecting spruce as a layer in this blade so it was a nice surprise
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peter79
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The grain of the limba looks very tight, must be a solid blade.
The core is ayous, it has spruce like Hurricane King, but different top ply. Maybe it plays like Hurricane King but with more power. |
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notgooord
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Or stiga offensive classic carbon
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lukaparuk
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Thx,
Spruce 2nd play - Makes sense.. IF ALC.S .... S --> Spruce My current setup is Infinity VPS, so will be additional layer ArylatCarbon. Stiga vs BTF - another technology but we will see the difference. Infinty VPS for me is very good blade. No to fast with good control. But outside ply is very thin & delicate. When you replace the rubber, you can take with rubber some ply Limba :( Metarial database http://stervinou.net/ttbdb/liste.php
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neon
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Hello friends, spruce is softer them limba.
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IanMcg
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Spruce should make the blade spit the ball out a bit stronger when hitting hard.
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jpenmaster
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The S is for spin. This is from Bfly japan " We made the blade thinner than "Inner Force Layer ALC", and newly designed wood and plywood construction improved rotation easiness and stability. It is recommended for athletes who want to advance rally predominantly with weapons of front rotation counterparts with a large amount of rotation."
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peter79
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Jpenmaster, how is it compared to Innerforce ALC? Is it faster?
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CraneStyle
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Is the head size 150 x 157mm...?
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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jpenmaster
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Size is standard Butterfly 157x150. Hoping to try it this weekend. Never tried Innerforce ALC. Only alc blades I have tried are KLHS,TBS,Maze,Viscaria,MA Long V and Ovtcharov TC.
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Fedex78
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News on the alc s?
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NextLevel
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I heard it performs magic tricks in Las Vegas . Probably just another good and expensive blade from Butterfly.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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notgooord
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http://shop.butterflyonline.com/innerforce-layer-alc-s-7804p
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jpenmaster
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The blade feels like an all wood blade till you start to get aggressive then you notice the alc. I have T05 FX on both sides and this set up generates a lot of spin. This blade would be perfect for someone who plays with something like Korbel and wants to try a composite blade or thinks Viscaria/TBS lacks some control. Blade has a medium/soft feel and I would rate it off-. The best qualities of this blade are the spin and the ability to get the ball back on the table.
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tiehwen
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Nice.
Btw, It's outta stock now... I love my PKorbel, IF ALC (Don't quite like its roundish ST handle tho'), TBS & Viscaria. I think, based on your comparison, I'd love this ALC.S too. |
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I attached my 87 g ALC.s with OVP and T80fx and played with it for 3 short sessions. It is very controllable and very easy to keep the ball in table during rallies. My only problem is its speed. I have difficult times finishing the point due to it lacks top end speed.
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Fedex78
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Thanks guys for the replies!
I currently use the if layer alc and i need a bit of speed without loosing control...the viscaria-like is a bit too fast, maybe the alc.s is not the answer Edited by Fedex78 - 12/08/2016 at 3:39pm |
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jpenmaster
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Look at Freitas, Maze or Hurricane Long V. The Limba outer veneers are softer than Koto.
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rickywinataa
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Given that it's thinner than your common 7-ply ALC and someone already said it's not exactly fast, I think it'll become a great blade for someone who's looking for a not so fast blade, similar to TSPW perhaps but wants the carbon sweetspot.
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jpenmaster
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I do not feel this blade lacks power. This is really an ideal blade for close to mid range looping. You can put a lot of spin variations on your shot. This blade also gives you a nice margin for error. I think if you have mastered Viscaria or something in the off+ category you will not be happy. If you like to hit , drive and smash I would not recommend this blade either.
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Fedex78
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Freitas alc on my home way
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smash_fan
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Hey guys, did anyone get to try out this blade's brother - the Innerforce Layer ZLF? It is even thinner 5.3mm, and supposedly more spin. Hard to find in the USA still, but getting great reviews in Japan. Tempted to make a long overdue switch from my trusted Butterfly Jonyer-H for one of these.
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Here is the link from Butterfly's website with their explanation video:
https://butterflyonline.com/welcome-family-innerforce-layer-alc-s-zlf/ Edited by smash_fan - 11/27/2017 at 10:04am |
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