Nexy Karis M and M+ reviews

Dream1700 wrote: Baal wrote: Update on Karis M. I finally decided to replace my worn Karis M sheets.  It did seem like they were not quite playing the same as before. I got about 9 months of play out of the last pair.  Incredible durability.  So tomorrow I have will play with nice new Karis M on both sides of my Viscaria. I am guessing that no rating points were either gained or lost during nine months. The rubber switch is mainly dictated by the search for comfort of play, desire to experiment, etc., is that right?

During that period I also lost some weight and trained in a little more disciplined way, so who knows really what it all means?  I have no idea.  There is more than one change going on at once.  Then also, in recent few weeks I have had some nagging injury issues, nothing too serious but just enough to reduce my play time and keeps me from playing all out.

I am still using Karis though and I like the feeling of control.  Is that choice rational?  I have no idea. 

Baal wrote: Update on Karis M. I finally decided to replace my worn Karis M sheets.  It did seem like they were not quite playing the same as before. I got about 9 months of play out of the last pair.  Incredible durability.  So tomorrow I have will play with nice new Karis M on both sides of my Viscaria.

@ maurice101 + hangdog:

Yes I find it frustrating that I can't find one site worldwide that has a functioning shopping cart that will ship to Australia.

Tried nexyttstore.com and got No carriers available. Similar error message for nexy.com.

You oughta dig up some of the old "Prime that Rubber" threads from OOAK from LAW and some others... good reading.

Saitama wrote: will karis m+ play well with alc blades??

Not sure if you read the whole thread, but from what I gather Karis plays well in any blade, it simply adopts the blade's characteristics. The main issue seems to be lack of dominating characteristics. It plays like a upscale all-around. I'm tempted, but I think I am not up to it physically. But maybe with good placement, I would be? But for sure I need to be able to open up again heavy US. I'm told I can with Mantra. Probably need a flexible blade to do the same with Karis.

Baal wrote: Wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Stiga Mantra thread, but figured it fits here better because what I learned tells me more about Karis than it does about Mantra, actually. I tried Stiga Mantra M today, it comes form the same factory in Japan.  I compared it to Karis M, both on Viscarias.  They were actually similar in a lot of ways, I was surprised that Mantra M was not really a lot faster (really not faster at all).  Compared to Karis, the internal pips of Mantra are about twice as long, but still quite short relative to a lot of other rubbers.  (The pips on the inside of Karis are incredibly short). It seems like the shorter pips is becoming a trend (see the various Rasanter threads here and at TT Daily) and I think it is a good trend (for most mortal players), taken to an extreme by Karis. Mantra has a different color to its top sheet.  If I was describing it like a desert or an ice cream, I would say that it is more "rich and creamy".  Brighter color.  Very high quality.  Yogi Bear commented on that at some length and I see where he is coming from.  But just countering away, or looping while someone blocks or blocking someone's loops, these rubbers are really not all that different.  At the very least, they are cousins with family resemblance even  if they are not "identical cousins" (very old TV reference). But here is the interesting thing.  After a month of Karis, you kind of get used to no surprises.  And with Mantra M, there were occasional surprises, just like with Tenergy, and Evolution and every other modern rubber I have tried.  Strange non-linearities that sometimes make you miss.  As Next Level said, until you play with Karis, you really have no sense of how often this happens.  I certainly didn't. I attribute this to the internal pips because as best as I can tell, THAT is the one thing about Karis that is really different from Mantra and anything else out there.  Karis is like a thin topsheet sitting almost directly on top of a sponge, and their hardness is well matched, so they work together.  Pips can have all sorts of effects to change the angle the ball leaves the rubber, or how long it stays on the rubber and probably lots of different things, and sometimes it is a really good effect, and sometimes it is quite non-linear and not quite what you expected.  Karis eliminates this by coming as close as is possible to not having the pips at all. Mantra M is really good rubber, and a lot of people will like it. Very grippy topsheet.  Nice arc to the ball, and I wanted very much to like it. And I do, actually. But I will stick with Karis M for now. One other thing, since my technique has evolved to use a slower rubber like Karis (slower compared to Tenergy or MX-P), I have no problem ripping balls fast and hard, and oddly enough compared to Mantra, I felt like my balls had more penetration with Karis.

It took me 20 minutes of interesting reading but I finally found this review. Maybe copy it to the Mantra thread where I am sure others will find it very informative.

I totally get what you like about predictability and linearity. I love it when I am controlling the game and not the sponge. Still, unless I'm in full training mode, it can be quite exhausting to win a point. I might not last an 11 point game if I had to provide all of the energy. This is what happened when I was playing with unboosted DHS, exhaustion.

In regards to Mantra, are both similar in speed and spin? I can get Mantra for a reasonable price at Tabletennis11. Thanks. I'd love to see a review comparing these Japanese rubbers to Rozena. All appear to be quite similar though using different technologies. Rozena seems to be doing great in Japan, which is why I am interested.

Thanks again!

Edited by richrf - 10/06/2017 at 1:29pm

Update on Karis M.

I finally decided to replace my worn Karis M sheets.  It did seem like they were not quite playing the same as before.

I got about 9 months of play out of the last pair.  Incredible durability.  So tomorrow I have will play with nice new Karis M on both sides of my Viscaria.

nexy.com wrote: We are going to release KARIS H soon! Let's see the test video clip. https://youtu.be/B-v_5KEwACg

Any contest for lucky testers in the future??

I'm quite pleased with the M+ (see review on previous page) but i was expecting something harder and faster. So the H version sounds very nice.

I took a quick look at the vid and the interview and hit session with their sponsored payer shows he really likes Karis H on FH as the ball "really moves out well" he stressed the direct feel and safety/control over and over. 

nexy.com wrote: We are going to release KARIS H soon! Let's see the test video clip. https://youtu.be/B-v_5KEwACg

Would you be willing to tell us how it is different from Karis M?

We are going to release KARIS H soon!

Let's see the test video clip.

https://youtu.be/B-v_5KEwACg