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PPH's Nexy Karis Reviews:
I tested Karis M & M+ for about 3 weeks now.  M+ weighted at ~69grams uncut, and M at ~66grs.  M+ came out to ~52grs on my Intensity, M at 48grs cut (cut size ~158x152mm).  The topsheet grip feels superb when running my fingers thru it, it gave me this reassuring feeling that the ball won’t slip.  It has a more natural grip.   

In-Action Sessions: M+ felt linear as many have stated.  It does everything else well enough.  It’s not spin sensitive, so you pretty much get what you give.  IMO, the rubbers’ forte is directional blocks & counters.  I think that’s why players like VictorK, Baal, BH_Man, & Nextlevel love these rubbers.  Perfect for the close-to-table players.  I was very surprised in the consistency of the sponge, whereas majority of Japanese sponge rubbers behave very erratically, IMO.  One setback I had was over the table play with M+ at RPB.  Since the rubber is linear, it requires most of the work from the player especially for wristy shots.  Spin for banana loops is limited for me.  First session, played against 2150 Penhold Attacker, & 2150 Japanese Penhold inverted with Anti twiddler (Nextlevel& BH_Man should know him).  My RPB was very stable, and M+ gave me a very assuring feeling there.  I felt that I could stay close to table and block/hit everything down.  Regular M is about 4grs lighter!  And it’s a bit softer.  For my RPB, I like M+ more than M.  I had to do way too much work using M without much reward.  I believe it will work better with faster blades…on both rubbers.  I switched to Nexy’s Zealot, and put M+ for my FH, and M on my RPB.  The sound has resemblance of boosters/speed glue, but they don’t have the speed & spin of speed glue rubbers.  Blocking with M on my RPB is effortless, spin is more evident when my stroke is more vertical.  M+ bottoms out sometimes on my forehand when looping.  Some technique adjustments are needed on my behalf, but seem doable!  I can play up to about my level with this setup…~1900USATT 

Summary: Not sure if these rubbers were made for boosting, and I will do that once they break the 50hr mark.  Some even have mentioned about these rubbers reminded them of speed glue rubber era.  Personally I have not played during the speed glue era, so I don’t  know the feeling.  However, the sound is evident!  Karis’s characteristics are very unique, being different from Japanese, ESN, Tensors, and etc.  It’s like an in-between for me.  A not overly erratic bouncy tensor and consistent topsheet to sponge feeling.  I would like it a bit spinnier, especially since I am using them on my RPB.  I recommend these rubbers to close to table players that rely on placement, & blocking/countering.  It’s no slouch at 3-5 feet back either.     

Reviewer Credentials: 1900USATT rated, Penholder, 2 wings, Blade: Various 5ply Woods, 7ply Woods, ZLC, & ALC.  Preferred Rubbers - FH: Tacky hard/medium sponge, BH: Euro Medium/MS sponge.  (Play Handshake ~1700),  



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Don't anyone believe PPH when he sez he is 1900 USATT level... add another 100+ points to that and you will be closer to the truth. Maybe his actual rating is artificially that level, but he was playing 1900+ level years ago already.

Everyone should know by now that PPH is a very cut, strong athletic mobile dude who can stay at the table and kill you, but for some wild adventurous reason will like to drift back a meter and kill you with his RPB if you are dumb enough to try to peg his middle. He doesn't have soft hands/soft impact at that distance, so the soft control of incoming topspin in this situation isn't a situation for him. Too bad as Karis does this task so well. Softer hand at impact and going through the ball, Karis is Boss vs topspin.

If I understand correctly, I met one of those 2150s players on my second trip to NYC involving PPH and USDCarl. Can't really remember for sure, I was on little sleep and was on the road way too long for that Midnight adventure mission. That player will certainly test your blocking skills and if you back off the table, will test your mobility and ability to make offense away from table. (No problem for PPH, he will make you tired just watching him)
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I am not a particularly close to the table player (!) and my game is not built on blocking. I just like that the ball goes where i want it to go on all shots. I dont want people to get the impression this stuff is just for close in blocksrs.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

He doesn't have soft hands/soft impact at that distance, so the soft control of incoming topspin in this situation isn't a situation for him. Too bad as Karis does this task so well. Softer hand at impact and going through the ball, Karis is Boss vs topspin.

This is true when I counter loop with M+ on my FHClap!

Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

If I understand correctly, I met one of those 2150s players on my second trip to NYC involving PPH and USDCarl.

I didn't show on that Sunday mission, but You were in one of Nextlevel's video watching him playing against the Anti twiddler.  Who would've thought that an Anti chop can be so spinny!!Ouch
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Just played a quick session with the Karis M in 2.0mm. Initial impression is pretty good. I'll keep testing and update with some more specific (and helpful) thoughts once I've had more time with it.
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PPH DOES have touch close to table, but when he drifts back, he is looking to POUND the ball as the ONLY response.
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Can someone compare Karis to Andro Rasant Grip? Has anyone tried both?

In my experience, Grip is really easy to control with a linear response and is also quite forgiving. It also performs really well in high humidity, which is what some people mention in regards to Karis. I live in Vietnam, high humidity is a huge problem. Most of the clubs here don't have air con. I've tried Tenergy05 in the past and I often had trouble keeping the balls on the table. It seem like the trajectory of my deep shots was often about 1 to 2 inches off the back edge. Since they are discontinuing Grip, I might try something else. I'm just wondering if this might be one to consider as a replacement. Thank you!
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I am not a particularly close to the table player (!) and my game is not built on blocking. I just like that the ball goes where i want it to go on all shots. I dont want people to get the impression this stuff is just for close in blocksrs.

Not even close.  I can play away from the table comfortably on both sides with it, I even feel more comfortable taking bigger and flatter swings when out of position because I have a better idea what the rubber will do.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Someone posted this on Table Tennis Daily with the caption:

Basically iterates the same points. Very high control. Good spin. Very good at blocking. Both players are above USATT 2000.

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https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?13451-Nexy-Karis-rubber-first-impressions&p=182468&viewfull=1#post182468


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This review is for the 2.2mm Red version of the Karis M+ Rubber.


This made in japan rubber comes in a high quality glossy package protected with a sheet of paper, all enclosed in a resealable plastic bag. Good presentation but without any rubber statistics to compare to. The rubber showed a small dome but it was easy to glue, its dimensions were 16.6mm x 16.5mm, which is suitable for oversized blades if you’re interested in that. The blue sponge has very small pores, without any unusual smell and had no markings on the back, so you can’t differentiate the M from the M+ since both have the same topsheet design.


Contrary to the Karis marketing text on the packaging I don’t find Karis’ sponge + topsheet configuration “hard” at all (M or M+), it is medium as the “M” on it’s name suggests. Both the sponge and topsheet were easy to cut showing great quality. It’s weight is average nothing out of the ordinary.


I already knew the Karis M+ rubber was not advertised as super fast rubber, so I decided to use it for my control shots. I glue it on the DEF+ side of my Donic Alligator Combi blade and use it on the BH side mostly. As for me, I'm an all-around chopper, with sporadic counter-attacks and a extensive range in motion, mid distance mostly.


First, the best aspect of it, the accuracy on BH punches and flicks at the table and 1.5 meter or so away from it are amazing. At those distances i can attack with flat hits and get a nice straight trajectory, also on spinny flicks where you use quick wrist movements letting the topsheet grab the ball you get good results, the surface has a really good grab but is not sticky like a chinese rubber.


Using the rubber on the FH side is tricky, since is not that fast you need to have proper skills and not do lazy hits, do your loops and topspins properly and you’ll get good results, but less deadly than known high-performance rubbers. This rubber is for controlled attacks with good placement while being close and mid distance from the table.


The serves i usually perform, come out spinny but too fast, so i needed to dial down the speed of my movements.


It can generate good spin on its own and is very spin sensitive, blocking heavy topspins is hard, some angle adjustments are needed. On flat hits and soft loops not so much.


And now the weird. Chopping with this rubber is extra hard, if I’m on top of the table trying to do a chop-push it pops up, and when i try do my signature hard chops being away from the table, the balls shoots off straight to the net super fast, even with a slight touch! i can only guess this has to do with the pip structure repelling the ball faster at a very extreme closed angle. Chopping is my main weapon and i’m really struggling at this department with M+, so i switched to a style with more blocking, punching and flicking with rather decent results.


After a month of use, i see no shrinking of the sponge, tearing of the topsheet edges and no discoloration, so i’m very pleased on the quality. It performs great on a hot and humid environment (living in the caribbean next to the sea is as hot as it gets).


All the above testing was done only with seamless balls usually these models: Yinhe *** 40+, Xu ShaoFa ***, Yinhe * and Yinhe *** S40+. If used on celluloid balls the spin and speed obviously increased but those impressions were not taken into account for this review..


My personal conclusion is that this is a very high quality product but somewhat overpriced with a not so accurate description since i don't see it as a hard rubber. It’s aimed at recreational and advanced players who have spin and control as priorities.

I think of it like a Sriver combined with an Airoc resulting in a rubber with good qualities, melting properties from the old era and the new plastic ball age. If you want to work on your spin-generating technique and ball placement, I highly recommend this rubber for you.






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I just copied a compact version of my review to http://www.tabletennisdb.com/rubber/nexy-karis-m-plus.html, because it has a 2000 character limit.

Come on guys add your reviws there, helping nexy get more exposure.

Lastly, i'd like to thank the crew at nexy and arg0 for doing this event .


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I conducted a quick, non-scientific experiment with Karis.   I gave a paddle with Karis M on both sides of Nexy Calix II for quick test drives to two >2600 level players who played competitively prior to speed glue ban, and who used "classic" rubbers (e.g. Sriver, Mark V, Mendo, Bryce, etc).  I asked them to give me their initial feedback on speed, spin, control and feel.  I also asked them to compare the feel of Karis to modern vs. "classic" rubbers. Here's a quick summary of what they told me:
- Medium speed, medium spin, all-round rubber
- Control oriented
- Attacking players should consider using fast blades
- Feel is much closer to "classic" rubbers than to latest generation rubbers.  One of them compared it to Mark V, with a little softer feel and more dwell ('ball sits on the rubber a little longer')

Also, about 5 weeks ago I gave Karis M to ~2100 modern defender who learned how to play long time ago (mostly with Sriver) and has been experimenting with many different FH rubbers for the past several years since speed glue ban.  

After one session with Karis, he got very excited and commented that the rubber felt "natural" (for his strokes/muscle memory) and very predictable - meaning he knew why shots were or weren't landing, which was his biggest problem with modern rubbers (he played most recently with Tenergy and Evolution series).  After 2-3 practices with the first sheet, he decided to commit to Karis and ordered two more sheets - one for backup blade and one extra for future use.

Again, my experiments focused on "old timers" who, like myself, learned how to play with classic rubbers, and as I anticipated they all noticed the similarity between classic rubbers and Karis, and liked it quite a bit.   However, those players who have strong preference for fast rubbers with lots of catapult, or for sticky Chinese-type gear, might not appreciate as much the linear behavior, control and predictability of Karis - to each his own.







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Originally posted by VictorK VictorK wrote:

I conducted a quick, non-scientific experiment with Karis.   I gave a paddle with Karis M on both sides of Nexy Calix II for quick test drives to two >2600 level players who played competitively prior to speed glue ban, and who used "classic" rubbers (e.g. Sriver, Mark V, Mendo, Bryce, etc).  I asked them to give me their initial feedback on speed, spin, control and feel.  I also asked them to compare the feel of Karis to modern vs. "classic" rubbers. Here's a quick summary of what they told me:
- Medium speed, medium spin, all-round rubber
- Control oriented
- Attacking players should consider using fast blades
- Feel is much closer to "classic" rubbers than to latest generation rubbers.  One of them compared it to Mark V, with a little softer feel and more dwell ('ball sits on the rubber a little longer')

Also, about 5 weeks ago I gave Karis M to ~2100 modern defender who learned how to play long time ago (mostly with Sriver) and has been experimenting with many different FH rubbers for the past several years since speed glue ban.  

After one session with Karis, he got very excited and commented that the rubber felt "natural" (for his strokes/muscle memory) and very predictable - meaning he knew why shots were or weren't landing, which was his biggest problem with modern rubbers (he played most recently with Tenergy and Evolution series).  After 2-3 practices with the first sheet, he decided to commit to Karis and ordered two more sheets - one for backup blade and one extra for future use.

Again, my experiments focused on "old timers" who, like myself, learned how to play with classic rubbers, and as I anticipated they all noticed the similarity between classic rubbers and Karis, and liked it quite a bit.   However, those players who have strong preference for fast rubbers with lots of catapult, or for sticky Chinese-type gear, might not appreciate as much the linear behavior, control and predictability of Karis - to each his own.







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I guess the next question is whether such linearity is possible in a higher spin rubber. Probably not, bu still a question worth asking.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I guess the next question is whether such linearity is possible in a higher spin rubber. Probably not, bu still a question worth asking.
This would be really wonderful. Thumbs Up

It`s a long time ago since I posted my first impressions about Karis M and M+ here in this thread, although I tested it several more times on different blades. The reason is simple: I did not know how to express my feelings. Normally I know within a few minutes if I like a rubber or not. OF course it needs some more time to get used to a new rubber, but nevertheless the generally feeling will not change very much. I like it or I like it not.

With Karis I have a mixed feeling, because on one side I like it very much 
  • I can feel the ball very good
  • the control with this rubber is extremely good
  • spin is also above average
but on the other side: I am missing some spin or power to finish the rally and make the point. I tested Karis on several blades (Nexy Rubicon, Stiga Allround Classic and Offensiv Classic, OSP Virtuoso and Zhang Jike ALC). With all these blades I had a lot of control, it was easy to bring the ball back on the table again and again, but for my strategy it`s not the best rubber, because I don`t have the right technique to get enough power out of this rubber. My opponents did not have big problems to return my loops, but I need this power, especially for my backhand (active blocking and smashing)

Like some other testers wrote before, Karis is not far away from faster classic rubbers. For those players it will be totally easy to switch to Karis. People who normally play with Chinese rubbers will also like Karis over all )maybe they will miss a bit more spin), but if you are used to modern european rubbers like Tibhar Evolution MX-P and Donic Acuda Blue P1, you will miss some more power.

Therefore I agree to NextLevel`s hope. @ Nexy: 
Please develop a rubber with the same characteristic and the same wonderful balance between sponge and topsheet like Karis, but with 10-20% more spin and 30% more speed or maybe one type with more spin and same power and one type with same spin, but more power. Wink I am sure, that thousands of people would like such a further development.

By the way: Personally I prefer Karis M over M+ because M+ is a bit too hard for me.
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Magic M, I understand your position. I also highly value a power finish and absolutely LOVED MX-P for this. I understand Karis M does not have impressive finishing power like other fast rubbers, but MAN, this rubber has control and not just in general, it handles incoming topspin like crazy good with a positive stroke. I stay in more rallies and ultimately win more points... and I am pretty much the epitome of 3rd ball kill or finish point ASAP kinda player. 

For me the spin is enough. I get plenty of block and out balls on my openers. Sure, MX-P leaves a vapor trail after the ball goes through my opponent, but I can miss sometimes and also, my defense or softer topspin control shots are not nearly as good quality.

I was convinced by day 2 to change to Karis two days before the most important US tourney of my life... and did very well.
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I do not use an overly fast blade either, my main blade is Kim Jung Hoon 7 ply and sometimes the LISSOM with the prototype of M+. 

If I serve a dead ball and surprise opponent, my power finish will still go through him or her.

If I am a meter plus away from table and get a strong incoming loop, I can take my own cut at it and make my own topsin. It isn't overwhelming, but it lands nearly every time and it is high pressure to opponent, it wears him down eventually if I do not get it on my first counter. You can also side/corkscrew loop real good with Karis.
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I have strong preference for a little slower and more predictable, control oriented rubber, like Karis, for the following reasons:
- it's much easier for me to add power to my shots by using bigger/quicker body turn and weight transfer than to control very fast and bouncy gear - maybe if I practiced 20+ hours per week my opinion would be different
- playing with Karis extends rallies, which is more fun for me and gives me better workout in shorter period of time
- It reinforces and rewards proper technique by giving me good feedback on all shots and by forcing me to use weight transfer on power shots


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Put Karis M on an OFF or OFF+ blade and you have best of both worlds. 
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When talking about mid distance loops, close to the table blocks, put-away drives, and pushes - is Karis M similar to Yasaka XTend HS, or is it more similar to Joola Rhyzm, or is it a totally different feel rubber?
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All these rubbers are much bouncier than Karis,
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One thing worth noting about Karis M.  At the two month mark on my current blade, these rubbers are holding up very well.  No noticeable decline in play.  Very durable.  I was worried about that because the top sheet is so thin, but it is not a problem at all.  Quite the contrary.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

One thing worth noting about Karis M.  At the two month mark on my current blade, these rubbers are holding up very well.  No noticeable decline in play.  Very durable.  I was worried about that because the top sheet is so thin, but it is not a problem at all.  Quite the contrary.


Okay. Glad to know it is not just in my head.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

One thing worth noting about Karis M.  At the two month mark on my current blade, these rubbers are holding up very well.  No noticeable decline in play.  Very durable.  I was worried about that because the top sheet is so thin, but it is not a problem at all.  Quite the contrary.


Okay. Glad to know it is not just in my head.

No, it's not just in your head ... my sheets of Karis were durable as well, they lasted >60 yours of play before I changed them, and they were still playable.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

One thing worth noting about Karis M.  At the two month mark on my current blade, these rubbers are holding up very well.  No noticeable decline in play.  Very durable.  I was worried about that because the top sheet is so thin, but it is not a problem at all.  Quite the contrary.

I'm using the M+ and the thin topsheet did seems to be very fragile. I got a 6mm slash from the the edge towards the center (never had a cut like that). 

Overall i'm pleased with the rubber, i don't find M+ hard at all, and it's easy to play with.



PS:  anybody got the yinhe S40+ ball?
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Did you hit the edge of the table or something?
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PS:  anybody got the yinhe S40+ ball?


Yes, I bought 144 from colestt. It's a great ball, Plays well and never breaks unless stepped on.
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Did you hit the edge of the table or something?

Don't think so, i suspect it ripped when i changed the side tape


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Yes, I bought 144 from colestt. It's a great ball, Plays well and never breaks unless stepped on.

2 of mine broke too soon... maybe i got bad batchConfused
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I have been using Karis M 2.0mm for about 3 weeks and can give a few observations and in particular some comparisons to Joola Samba 19, another Rubber made by Daiki that I have been using on my backhand for about a year.

The sponge on the Karis looks identical to the Samba 19, the exact same colour and small pores. Interestingly the 2.0mm Karis M is the same thickness as the Joola 19 in Max, despite the short pips, meaning the sponge is actually thicker. Comparing the 2.0mm Karis M to a sheet of 2.0 Samba 19 I have on a different blade, the Karis is visibly thicker.

Pushing down on the rubbers, the Karis feels slightly harder, but there is not a huge difference.

This is also true when playing, although they play in a very similar manner in the short game and for low to medium power shots, the Karis does feel slightly harder.

 

As expected when playing harder drives and loops, the Karis seems to be more linear. The Joola seems to have a bit more catapult. I have heard a few people say the Samba 19 is unpredictable when hitting the ball harder, I haven't personally found this to be an issue, but I can see why the Karis M could be thought of as more predictable.

I currently prefer the Samba 19 for blocking, as the slightly softer sponge seems to work a bit better for me. However I have been using this rubber for the best part of a year, so am really familiar with it, I suspect given a bit more time I would also find the Karis great for blocking.

 

The one area I struggled with the Karis was chopping. I had to adjust my technique a lot. If I hit the ball in the same manner as with the Samba 19, it popped up quite high, it was in some ways similar to chopping with short pips. I suspect the very short inverted pips are the reason. If it wasn't for this I could change between the two rubbers without really having to make any adjustments.

I think overall I prefer the Karis as a forehand rubber. As it is slightly harder and the bigger forehand strokes seem to work better with it, but I think I will stick with Samba 19, or possibly try another soft Daiki made rubber, for my backhand. 

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Detailed review after 4 weeks of usage.

Current equipment: 
Double Day Yaliant ZLC/ALC (ZLC on FH, ZLC on BH) + H3N + T64
Jun Mizutani ZLC + H3N + T64

Player Info: No official rating, probably around ~2200

Rubbers: I won 2 NEXY Rubbers in the giveaway. I ordered 2 Karis M rubbers.

Weight: There was a variation in weight of the rubbers. 1 rubber weighed 63 g uncut and the other weighed 68g uncut. Cut to the blades, the rubbers weighed 47g and 50g respectively. Both of these are high numbers and I was expecting something lighter.

Review:
These rubbers are quite slow and have a medium throw. If I were to say that T64 is 9/10 in terms of speed, these would be 7.5/10 or may be 8/10 at most.
The usable range of these rubbers is at the table and up to 3 ft behind the table. Beyond that distance, they are not very dangerous at the level at which I play and my opponents can easily counter topspin or take the ball early.
What is good about these rubbers is the very predictable arc and linearity of these rubbers. Having played with T64 for 2 years now, I also find T64 very predictable so this is not much to write about.
The surface grip is average and a bit lower than the latest ESN rubbers and T64.

The surface grip did not drop much after a month of use...but it was also not very high to start with. 

Who will like the Karis M:
All round players who tend to block more than they attack.
Defenders.

Who will not like the Karis M:
All out attackers and people who like to take the initiative early in the point by opening up.

My opinion:
At this price point, these rubbers need to stand out from the crowd of rubbers which both cost less and are more easily available at online stores.
For players looking for linear rubbers in a medium-soft sponge, the Victas V15 Limber is a better option. It costs less and is a whooping 7 grams lighter cut to the JM ZLC blade.
The biggest drawbacks in my opinion are the price to performance and the weight to performance ratio.




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@ Ashish, I'm very interested to know If you experience any pin point ball placement characteristics as noted by other experienced reviewers?

Edited by Schlager72 - 03/31/2017 at 5:07am
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