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yogi_bear
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Mantra S
Weight: 62 grams uncut Speed: Off- Spin: High
Mantra M Weight: 63 grams uncut Speed: OFF Spin: Very High Mantra H Weight: 65 grams uncut Speed: OFF+ Spin: Very High Stiga Mantra S,M,H
After several months of
waiting for the new Mantra rubbers, I finally came to get hold of the 3
variants in my hands. First of all, just to dispel the rumors about the recall
of the Mantra rubbers, it was not about the rubbers being defective or having
low durability. It was not the case but rather some sort of factory
“enhancement” that they had to do with the rubber which I know but do not have
the liberty to discuss.
I got the red Mantra S, M
and H versions and got paired with the Genesis rubbers and a DHS Hurricane 3
for the Carbonado 290 and 245 plus the Celero Blade. The 3 variants of Mantra have the same pimple
structure and sponge with only the hardness being different for each variant.
The sponge for the 3 rubbers all minute pores which are different from ESN
tensor sponges.The H version is like at least 47 degrees, the M is like 45
degrees and S version like 42 degrees in hardness.
The topsheet of the Mantra
rubbers are surprisingly different from what I have expected coming from a
Japanese rubber company who made it. Unlike the Airoc series, The new topsheets
have a very grippy surface and they don’t have this “plastic-like” texture. The
quality is also good and consistent upon inspection. Many people are asking,
what good are they and how do we know that these are just not marketing
gimmicks? Those are the questions I also asked myself when I tried to place
myself on other people’s shoes especially the doubtful ones and I do not blame
them for being doubtful.
Among the 3 Mantra
rubbers, the Hard version is the fastest one. It matches the speed if not even
faster than a Tibhar MX-P. The Japanese rubbers never had any problem with
speed. Actually they have plenty of speed but in the past they needed more
spin. The M version is also fast but on the level of an EL-S. The S version is
soft and slow. It is slower than an FX-P.
Now for the spin, the
topsheets of the 3 variants are very grippy. This is the first time that the Japanese
company producing the rubbers for Stiga have come up with such a topsheet. IN
the past, the Airocs were spinny but not on this level the Mantra rubbers have.
The closest topsheet characteristic I have felt for the Mantra rubbers are that
of the Haifu Shark 3 and Whale 3 which in the past were also tested here in
this forum. They are as grippy without the tackiness. The H version has almost
the same spin level as the MX-P but it has a sharper and longer trajectory. The
throw is low but when I used it with the 290 carbonado, it was accurate enough
just to clear the net. The M version is also very spinny. Actually both M and H
versions are spinny enough that they could pass as ESN rubbers but they have this
trajectory that makes them different from ESN rubbers. The M version has a
medium arc while the S version has a medium to high arc. The S version needs to
be hit through the sponge to produce more spin. This rubber is designed for
people who compress the sponge a lot when driving or looping. The Genesis
rubbers are initially more spinny but when you compress more on the sponge and
when you do very strong attacks, that is
where the Mantra H and M rubbers shine and you can feel the combination of the
speed and spin.
Which of the 3 variants? I was really biased with the H version but lately I also like the M version a lot. Let me explain why. The Mantra H version is one of
the most stable rubber I have tried in terms of attacking and blocking. Take
note that the H version was placed on a Carbonado 290 and the said blade is an
off+ very fast attacking blade. I had no problem blocking with it. It produced
a low return when blocking just an inch higher than the net which is sometimes
hard for opponents to attack back. It is very easy to block with both H and M versions
of the Mantra but the H version seems to be very potent. The H version’s very
low throw sometimes upsets players that I have looped with and the ones of have
tried the Mantra H with the Carbonado 290 all agree that the rubber has unique
attacking properties. The ones who have tried it were actively using Donic
P-series rubbers and some other guys have been using MX-P. The guys using the
Donci P-series rubber swear by it that it is a much better rubber and more
vicious in attacking while the guys using MX-P are greatly impressed by it due
to its sharp low arc and good spinning capabilities. The M version is the tamed
version of the Mantra H. It can do everything the M version can but on a more
tamed attack and easier to control. The 3 rubbers are never spin sensitive but
they spin great with serves and pushes aside from loops. The S version, I would
recommend it really for a backhand rubber or for developing players mostly. The
H and M versions are really the rubbers to buy.
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seems so much equipment to test=))
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yogi_bear
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Watch out for the mantra h. It is the rubber to watch. Topsheet is very grippy and spinny..
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These are big rubbers for stiga. Need to get this release right, especially at the price they're asking.
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if they sell it more expensive than the Tibhar Evo series, they're doomed... just like airocs
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This is a problem, although it depends on what Mantra brings to the table of course. But when you can get EL-S for $36 from ttnpp then it has some ground to cover.
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I wonder what is the sponge hardness in degrees?
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Saitama
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Hope you can compare this with the genesis series
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I'm looking forward to your review :)
I'd like to know if they can compete with the Tenergies, as Evolutions are quite different (MX-P harder than T05, and afaik the others have low throw angle)
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updated with review
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Hahahahaha. Bravo! Great reviews, as ever. |
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great reviews - had been waiting for them.
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Sounds like it shares some characteristics with Nexy Karis, which is made in the same factory I think. Maybe a Karis on steroids.
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and now the question that everyone is wondering about. Is Mantra H a good alternative to T05?
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Chicobo
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Could you elaborate a bit more on the comparison against the Genesis rubbers? Might end up getting them since dandoy has a 3 for 4 deal on genesis.
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Karis still has the old topsheet so this has a new and better one.
Genesis is a dhs rubber so it plays differently. Genesis may be spinnier on slower loops and pushes but the stronger the attacks get, the better is the mantra h & m compared to genesis. In terms of spin ni, t05 is still king. The mantra h and m however arealready in the level of esn rubbers and if you ask me they are better than the acuda p series |
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Atlast the review came 😀. Just have one question yogi. Which is heavier mxp or mantra h?
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Mxp is heavier.
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cool then its a must try for me :) one more thing is mantra durable like genesis and mxp??
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Cant say yet but i think it is as durable as the airoc series which was good enough for me.
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Yogi, how long are the pips?
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yogi_bear
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I did not measure them but they seem to only differ in hardness
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Mr Yogi
Comparing to the past rubber you have try the ease of spinning is very good ? Do they generate good spin on brushing or need to engage sponge. |
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I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud .
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yogi_bear
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Yes, the mantra series have a differebt ang very grippy Topsheet which can be as spinny as modern esn rubbers
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So,good grip, speedy japanese sponge and low throw. Looks like it solves the great post-glue problem of finding a replacement for heavily glued Bryce?
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Yogi, could you please compare Mantra vs Acuda P (H vs P1 or M vs P2) in terms of hardness, throw, pips structure - which one has denser pips, and overall feel. Does Mantra behave more like Acuda P (or, maybe, T64) either like Bluefire (T05)?
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May be a comparison of speed and spin between Mantras and Calibra LT and LT sound?
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Mantra h os like a tamed version of mxp with lesser spin but with better control.
Mantra h is faster than calibra lt plus |
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Thanks yogi.
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How similar or different are these to the other recent Japanese rubbers such as TSP Regalis and Joola Samba 19/27?
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