med pips: DHS sharping vs spinlord keiler

I've never tried Keiler, but I've just tried the Sharping. I was trying to use it on my bh , its very screwy and gives deceptive and slightly backspin balls when countering. It's pretty good for blocking but I found it more sensitive to spin than I thought it would. It's pretty good for flipping and flicking too. My problem with it is it's quite hard to control in rallies unless you hit it dead on with the ideal stroke. It has no grip at all and if you time it incorrectly, the ball will likely go into the net or fly way out because of its low trajectory. Now maybe all med pips are like that and I've never used one before, I bought it in the hopes that it's a funkier short pips. I also didn't like the sponge much, I couldn't feel the ball as well as when I was using any other short pips recently (102, 101, breakout, Spectol red).

I've tried both. Sharping is an odd SP in that it's very soft, very fast, and bouncy, with fairly decent grip. I used it in early 2014 but set it aside due to its bounciness and difficulty with control, finding SPs like 820A, Legend 105 and Super Spinpips (and more recently Beautry) more to my liking.

Keiler, on the other hand, I've tried more recently. Here are my notes from Oct 2016 from OOAK: Tried 1.8 black Keiler today and was disappointed. Compared to TSP Super Spinpips (on FH) it was almost impossible for me to lift the ball over the net with a FH drive. Balls were inconsistent making it hard to rally during practice. My opponent initially commented that it didn't have much power compared to my regular TSP Super Spinpips. That was on light and medium powered strokes. On harder FH strokes the Keiler wakes up and rockets, but the end result is a rubber that's non-linear. No like.

Keiler and Sharping are nothing alike.

i would recommend stay away from sharping, it's a piece of garbage, its pips break so easily. Too fast, can't chop, attacks fly spinless and go very off the table.

ronakvyas86 wrote: I've used keiler for RPB for about 2 months. Coming from short pips I found it harder to control at first. It's very hard to drive with it, you need to hit hard so the ball digs into the sponge and from there it behaves more or less like short pips. You can loop backspin and chop topspins fairly well but slow looping dead balls is tough. Deception is no better than many short pips, like 802. Also, Keiler is not suited for FH play. Even though I've adapted to this rubber, I've moved back to short pips and have no desire to use keiler again.

have you tried victas 101? several top juniors in germany play FH with 101

bokai wrote: Keiler is no forehand rubber thats for sure!

true that

bbkon wrote: ronakvyas86 wrote: I've not tried victas pips yet. I've heard they're similar to hexer pips 101 is very nasty

The topsheet of 101 might as well be a sheet of textured plastic. There is no grip. The sponge is good though. I imagine 102 is better though

Bilbo wrote: 101 is one of the harder SP to play with. Great sink and all but the trajectory is so low, your technique need to be on point.

bokai wrote: Bilbo wrote: 101 is one of the harder SP to play with. Great sink and all but the trajectory is so low, your technique need to be on point. 101 is slower than 102 thats for sure. However, once 101 is mastered. Its deadly.

How would you compare blowfish plus to 101? Which one is harder to control and gives the nastier shots?

Skyline wrote: Victas 101 is nothing special just lightly disturbing and little control.