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tiehwen 
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 Topic: Custom ZLC blade wood choicePosted: 05/23/2017 at 8:14pm |
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what a beast...
 well...send this out to any of those "testers" who always long for freebies. Postage/shipping not included & lets just see who would be that 1st lucky 1. |
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Posted: 05/23/2017 at 7:41pm |
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Learned a lesson today. I made this blade 7mm but after the zlc , new glue and new epoxy it finished at 7.4mm . I made the handle at work and left it solid I also left the blade solid in the handle area as well. It felt balanced but a little on the heavy side. I put it on the scale when I got home and bam 129 grams hahahahaha looks like some OX long pips need to go on this blade lol.
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Posted: 05/23/2017 at 2:30pm |
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ZLC smack in the middle of the core. Very interesting. Wonder how it plays? |
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Posted: 05/23/2017 at 2:30pm |
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Great efford friend! I really admire you!
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Posted: 05/23/2017 at 2:17pm |
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Made my own handle this time. Blade is ash/ash/spruce/zlc/spruce/ash/ash
 
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Posted: 05/18/2017 at 1:36pm |
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Great project...
Thanks for sharing... 
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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Posted: 05/18/2017 at 8:30am |
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This is the spruce and maple I am also trying out
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This one is spruce,spruce,ash. It's 6.95mm thick and weighs 97 grams. Yes it has Hide glue except the handle, that's titebond 3 which is just a waterproof yellow type wood glue. No composites in this one. I am also building a spruce core, maple inner and spruce outer blade so something like what a real violin would be made of.
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Posted: 05/17/2017 at 2:57pm |
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No alc here? Is it a violin clone? With hide glue only?
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Posted: 05/17/2017 at 1:55pm |
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tiehwen
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Posted: 05/17/2017 at 1:19pm |
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cool "Custom-made" blade, 1-of-a-kind...
More "expensive" than those beat up Viscaria ST, S T & F L.... |
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Not sure yet. This one has an ayous core ,limba inner,zlc then Koto outer. I am still trying to figure it all out. This one has a solid handle ,weighs 97 grams and is 6.0mm thick so its a little heavy . I used a really thin Koto veneer and i can just barely feel the zlc weave pattern. I am still experimenting with epoxy on the zlc. First blade i did i used too much and the blade felt like stone this one i used less but not sure how durable it will be. Hopefully I can play with this one tomorrow.
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Got my first zlc prototype done.. I need to work on my woodworking skills lol
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Got material in for handles. Ironwood is HEAVY!!!
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Textreme fabric is a spread tow fabric.
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This Textreme ZLC is strange. I was expecting a smaller "weave" like regular carbon fiber..
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Posted: 04/28/2017 at 11:56am |
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try ZLC as your outer layer (lol) it looks too nice to be on the inside
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Got my Koto and Limba veneers in...Spruce, balsa and ayous are in the mail. I might order some Ash and Maple as well. I think building a real "violin" (maple/spruce/Hide glue) would be interesting. I had a few people ask about where I got my wood. I got most of my veneers from certainly wood. The Balsa cores and Spruce sheets I got from national balsa. The ayous cores came from always hobbies in the UK it is also called Obeche. Roarockit makes the vacuum press I ordered the 26x28 . Elite motoring on ebay sells the ZLC and carbon from Textreme.
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Koto outer on one side, Limba outer on the other side would be interesting...
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Hi,
My experience with ordinary white wood glue is very satisfactory. I have used this glue when my xiom katana 10 mm split into two. The blade is still good. On another occasion, I had also used this glue when I changed the handle pieces of a blade. Very good bond, no problem ......so far. I do not know if this glue is suitable for zlc or other fabrics though. penholderxxx
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That is why I was going to leave it in the vacuum press for at least 24 hours. I think i should epoxy the core/zlz/spruce together press it over night,let it sit for a day then hide glue on the outer veneer and repress it for at least 24 hours. If it warps or is too much trouble I can just use titebond
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I heard that hide glue is not easy to work with, it can warp the blade, if the gluing and drying process is not done right. |
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True, but if I build a blade, I would be flattered if someone would take the time to test it and give me feed back. |
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I think ayous core will be the best. I like the innerforce blades so keeping the zlc on the core should still give me that wood feel. Limba and spruce seem to be popular middle plies so I might have to experiment a bit. Limba and Koto seem to be the outer veneers of choice. Ash and walnut are other options. I know I have to use epoxy on the zlc layer and I plan to use hide/bone glue on wood to wood. If the hide glue doesn't work I will use titebond. I think i sbould use epoxy or titebond on the handle. I have a small roarockit vacuum press to keep them flat and air pocket free. I am open to suggestions
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"That blade will disappear after awhile & months & months or even yrs later it will re-surface in the FS section...LOL." even homemade blades ? - sad
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I like to see a blade with 'White Ash - ZLC - koto - ayous - koto - ZLC - White Ash'. my reason is that I love White Ash top ply (there not enough blade with it commercially available), I am not a big fan of inner composite.
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Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:37pm |
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Have we not seen enough or learned any lesson or 2 here? |
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I will pass out my rejects lol. I just need to remember to make one anatomic....
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