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    Posted: 05/20/2017 at 12:48pm
I've found that the rubbers with, sort of like, an "identity disorder" are actually very bad rubbers. The manufacturers of these rubbers claim that the rubber "falls into their own unique category", say, spinlord sandwind for example. Sandwind is not anti, it's not inverted, then what is it? I'll tell you, it's crap. Another one is tenergy 25, piece of garbage. And rakza 9, oh my. I find the names "rakza" and "yasaka" so much appealing that I fell for it, twice. Rakza 9 is soooo heavy. Spin is not so great, speed not so great, it's expensive, and the control?...uhhh plssss. What's the point of rakza 9? pls tell me someone!

A good rubber should fall into a "solid" category like T05 - high thow and spinny, same is baracuda. T64 is speed focused, so is MX-P.

Another class of bad rubbers are the ones which claim a unique balance of speed and spin. T80, again, identity disorder....speedy? spinny? Nope, neither, just pricey. Sorry for such a negative post, really pissed at rakza 9 and sandwind today
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You must've just lost to a lower rated player. LOL

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I lost few, won few, just like another day. It's not about that. It's about "why this crappy piece of rubber cost 45 dollars???" Also, "I wanted an antispin rubber, why the hell I have to loop with it to win points?"
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Also, I splintered my favourite blade while removing rakza.
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Another one to suite your complain is Yasaka's Rising Dragon...

I think that, for players who want to be able to control the rubber very well, there are two types of control to consider: loop control and drive control. 

The Rising Dragon is very good for all  kinds of looping game, not so much for fast drive put-away/smash type of game. Another one like that is Vega Europe, although it is a different type, non-tacky. Cannot smash well with this one.
A complete opposite are the Nimbus rubbers that I like very much, especially the NSoft (not the Sound which is mushy) - there, the putaway drives are wonderful but to work it out by looping game is not so easy, just not great for looping. The T25 might be in this category, too, at a higher end.

As for the T80, I think this is the best rubber of all that combines the two types of control, but yes it is expensive, and for a player with lesser technique (meEmbarrassed) it just does not make sense that much.


Edited by JacekGM - 05/20/2017 at 1:41pm
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Edited by JacekGM - 05/20/2017 at 1:41pm
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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@JacekGM 100% agree with your description of nimbus soft. I loved playing with Nimbus Soft. Had it been more durable, I would've always used it. Had to let go just because of this

Edited by ronakvyas86 - 05/20/2017 at 1:43pm
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Hmm, I think this "identity disorder" thing is because most players are heavily biased towards one or the other - for example, you get many power loopers and many blockers/counter-drivers, and not many who can do both, therefore they tend to prefer the rubber that suits their "specialised" game (T05 for the former, T64 for the latter etc.)

I believe that when you have someone who can do both at a reasonable level and integrates them well into match play, then one can start to realise why rubbers with less specialised characteristics (e.g. Rozena/T80) may be of particular value.
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Identity disorder was h3 Japan.
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As  Smackdat said, its probably because the rubber clashes with your style. No-one, not even professionals, have a super balanced game - they have strengths and weaknesses [relatively]. Likewise, amateurs like us are focused on some aspects of the game. Our technique also may clash with certain rubbers. Yes, rubbers without identity are less likely to suit most players, but it may suit some players and that's good enough for some lines. 

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That's what I thought of EL-P at the start. Then eventually, and I mean like a year and a half later, I like it. I think we all have different expectations of a rubber depending on how we pair it with blades, our changes in styles, our improvements etc

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But fair to your point, many years ago I used all sorts of rubbers and I agree with you that spinny anti rubber is just awful, sorry, AWFUL to play with.

I'm looking at you 729 804. *death eyes*
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Originally posted by gekogark1212 gekogark1212 wrote:

But fair to your point, many years ago I used all sorts of rubbers and I agree with you that spinny anti rubber is just awful, sorry, AWFUL to play with.

I'm looking at you 729 804. *death eyes*


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There have several rubber sheets over the years that I did not like. What may be "garbage" to one player may be gold to another. with all the consideration for variations of styles, levels of play, and the mindset a lot of players have then the long search begins to find that "gold" rubber. I found some of the early Chinese rubbers (40 years ago) to be junk but to the right player they could kick your butt with it. Just keep an open mind when it comes to equipment...after all I can still beat you with Mark V...maybe, maybe not. :)
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Worst rubber I´ve ever tried was Bluefire M1. It´s heavy, uncontrollable, and too fast for me. Oh yeah, and I had issues trying to glue that shit, ops.. that sheet.
On the other hand Bluefire JP 01 was one the best, much more friendly and balanced than M1. But the Turbo version was bad...
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Bad rubbers, Bad rubbers
Watcha gonna do, Watcha gonna do
When they loop with you?

Bad rubbers, Bad rubbers
Watcha gonna do, Watcha gonna do
When they loop with you?

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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Worst rubber I´ve ever tried was Bluefire M1. It´s heavy, uncontrollable, and too fast for me


Because it was too fast for you and basically the wrong rubber for YOU, it's a bad rubber? I'm starting to wonder what I'm reading on these forums.
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Worst rubber I´ve ever tried was Bluefire M1. It´s heavy, uncontrollable, and too fast for me


Because it was too fast for you and basically the wrong rubber for YOU, it's a bad rubber? I'm starting to wonder what I'm reading on these forums.
Since my post means my own opinion... yes, it is a bad rubber (in my opinion). 
Is that so hard to understand? Or at least, respect?
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Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

Also, I splintered my favourite blade while removing rakza.


Rakza...you bad rubber you making his blade splinter and all.....
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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

Bad rubbers, Bad rubbers
Watcha gonna do, Watcha gonna do
When they loop with you?

Bad rubbers, Bad rubbers
Watcha gonna do, Watcha gonna do
When they loop with you?

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Great stuff, Mark.  The soul of a poet combined with the self-deprecating humor of my kind of TT player.

I can think of only one thing to do.  The player stuck with the bad rubbers has gotta go to a church and a synagogue and talk to a priest and a rabbi.  Then persuade them to go to the nearest neighborhood bar where the priest has his customary Guiness, the rabbi his usual Manishewitz, and the unfortunate TT player finding himself unable to loop with bad rubbers drinks himself stone blind with whatever liquor he can afford after shelling out 120 bucks for the bad rubbers using which he lost 156 rating points in his last tournament because he couldn't loop with them.



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i do not like Rakza 9. IT feels like a brick but it isn't that fast and you have to put effort in your brush contact against the ball if you want to produce good amount of spin.
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Years back when I tested Tuttle Beijing 4 I really liked the rubber a lot. I even made my first video review of it explaining how I liked it. However, after 1 month both the topsheet and the sponge died. After the second month the rubber turned into a bad antispin rubber and became unplayable. If anyone ever decides to purchase this rubber be prepared to change it once per month. Though I think at that point it's better to get something more durable.
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The only rubber I would consider 'bad' is one that has production issues, resulting in inconsistencies between sheets or in extremely short durability. There are just bad combinations, such as too bouncy or too undynamic setups. But that still depends on personal preference.
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Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

The only rubber I would consider 'bad' is one that has production issues, resulting in inconsistencies between sheets or in extremely short durability. There are just bad combinations, such as too bouncy or too undynamic setups. But that still depends on personal preference.

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Some rubbers are 'bad' because they simply don't suit you, or require major changes to technique to use them to full advantage.
Also the blade can make a huge difference, rubbers that feel dead or lifeless on one blade, can feel crisp and lively on another blade.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Years back when I tested Tuttle Beijing 4 I really liked the rubber a lot. I even made my first video review of it explaining how I liked it. However, after 1 month both the topsheet and the sponge died. After the second month the rubber turned into a bad antispin rubber and became unplayable. If anyone ever decides to purchase this rubber be prepared to change it once per month. Though I think at that point it's better to get something more durable.

Yeah, TB4 was great initially but dropped off a cliff so quickly.  Was a big shame.

Whereas Calibra Tour started off like a fast anti and just...stayed there.  Definitely the worst rubber for me that I've ever tried.  But I've seen other players use it really well, so I blame myself.  Somewhat.
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Agree with JacekGM and SmackDAT.  Tenergy 80 is my favorite Tenergy.
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Bad rubbers for me was like DHS H3 Neo :-P DHS G888 :-P DHS TG3 Neo  

I dint like Andro Rasant rubbers or any of the Donic rubbers JO Platin , Sonex JP Gold, Bluefire. 

Tenergy a big solid NOPE. 

But TG2Neo and TG2 original were superb. I am simply in love with the entire Yasaka line of rubbers MarkV < Valmo < Rakza7 Soft < Rakza7 < Rakza9 /  YSD < YRD. 


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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Years back when I tested Tuttle Beijing 4 I really liked the rubber a lot. I even made my first video review of it explaining how I liked it. However, after 1 month both the topsheet and the sponge died. After the second month the rubber turned into a bad antispin rubber and became unplayable. If anyone ever decides to purchase this rubber be prepared to change it once per month. Though I think at that point it's better to get something more durable.

For me that rubber was Tibhar Grip S Europe, my comments on this rubber would parallel your's for Beijing 4, exactly the same.  Couldn't figure out what went wrong at the time...but never tried it again to see if it was a quality control problem or just one bad sheet.Ouch
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

i do not like Rakza 9. IT feels like a brick but it isn't that fast and you have to put effort in your brush contact against the ball if you want to produce good amount of spin.


really?
 I've really enjoyed using Rakza 9-indeed (after 6 months-good durability as the old sheet was still usable), i've just glued on a second sheet. Feels fairly (but not crazily) fast and spinny to me...
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25 years on, Tibhar Dang is still the worst rubber I have ever used...


Heavy, slow, not very spinny and erratic.

Overpriced piece of garbo.


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