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Ping pong the smart way Pushblocker vs defender |
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ChichoFicho
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Posted: 05/31/2017 at 4:30pm |
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Edited by ChichoFicho - 05/31/2017 at 4:49pm |
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Darker Speed 70
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Tinykin
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Sorry, but I could not even get to the end of the first game.
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nachalnik
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Very good game! Enjoyed every second of it. It wasn't pushblocker's day as a lot of loops went long. Great mind game...
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Pushblocker
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interesting match.. It was decided by unforced errors.. Pushblocker would have been better off attacking less. He missed too many shots..
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Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus Blade with DHS G666 1.5mm on forehand Giant Dragon Talon National Team OX on backhand |
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TTHOUSTON
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I think a different way. He was loop only one time then turn back to block again that will give the opponent a chance to push the ball back and back to the safety position. Luckily, another player didn't play well also. He needs to keep practice forehand loop if he wants to improve to next level. Depend to the backhand is not going anywhere. He is not good defense like you, pushblocker so he needs attack before they attack him. The last game he loose because he starts chop block more than forehand loop, he needs more aggressive in the game. Edited by TTHOUSTON - 05/31/2017 at 11:21pm |
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JacekGM
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Very good match, PB, thanks for posting. Smart playing. Both players are at a very decent level.
- I am a little puzzled by the info box on the screen saying that the winner (Kalaczevskiy) played with Dornenglanz 2 on one side and Tenergy 05 on the other, do I get it right? Please correct me. - The pb defender is a very skilled LP player, however he seems to have run out of steam after game 4, maybe his backbone scoliosis is in part responsible for this? - It would be very interesting to see a match between the pb defnder guy and Stefan Kostadinovic... Edited by JacekGM - 05/31/2017 at 10:36pm |
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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obesechopper
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As a note, Luka (the push blocker) plays with frictionless anti spin in thick sponge.
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obesechopper
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Pushblocker, did you ever try frictionless anti spin for your type of game? I know your style gets a lot of negative comments! But it's one of my favorites to watch, and I've been trying to model a bit of my playing after yours -- using frictionless anti spin though. Do you think that is still doable, or are the LP required?
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mts388
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I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker. Many of blues pb's were high. With a consistent loop blue would do much better.
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pgpg
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Luka is WR 410 or so (perhaps ~2600 USATT?), just won his qualifying group at WTTC and lost in the first round to WR86 Cho Seungmin 3:4. So, he's pretty decent.
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Pushblocker
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Pushblocker
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I personally try do dare the defender to attack me to get him to beat himself. Neither of the 2 players in the match had a consistent attacking game.. A few years ago, I played a really good defender who rarely makes mistakes. I gave him tons of medium high semi lobs to get him to attack me. He had 1mm sponged chinese rubber on the forehand and it was easy for me to block his attacks. I won as I got him to attack and he missed more than he scored when attacking..
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Pushblocker
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Edited by Pushblocker - 06/01/2017 at 9:50am |
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clannewton
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o93UYTIn8&feature=youtu.be
No disrespect to pushblocker but here is the link with Lupa Mladenovic (blue pushblocker) beating Kanak Jha (ustta rating 2670) at the 2016 WTTC. Just a few skill levels up. Just goes to show how inaccurate our rating estimations are on this forum!
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FH Donic Bluefire m-1 max BH Donic Bluefire m-2 max Cocoa Beach TTC, Florida |
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Pushblocker
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Pushblocking is a hard to estimate style.... Nobody would believe that I topped 2300's with that style.. Well, at least during the time that I was still practicing, I was able to maintain 2200 level for years..and if people would watch me, they thought that I was 1700. When I saw that match, it was clear to me that both players were well above my level.. Edited by Pushblocker - 06/01/2017 at 7:51pm |
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JacekGM
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Okay, thank you for the correction. And how about the info about Kalaczevskiy playing with Dornenglanz 2 on his BH, is this real?
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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pgpg
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It is, AFAIK - I think he does have sponge under it, though (custom glued, DGII comes only in OX, I believe). There are tons of his videos with stated equipment on tt-maximum YT channel.
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USATT: ~1810
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pgpg
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As a random observation - at one point after watching several Pushblocker's videos, I decided to see for myself how hard it is to play this style - blocking/pushing off the bounce. it was very hard to keep blocks low and short - requires a lot of touch. Gave me new appreciation to the skill one must have to play that way.
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obesechopper
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Very tough style to do well! It's one of those that looks easy, but when you're blocking/pushing 90%+ of the time... you need to be on point! Placement and variation wise. Guys like Liu Song do the push block/chopblock on backhand, but dominate with the forehand mainly. They wouldn't get nearly that far using the LP predominately. Similar to how classical defenders have a tougher time advancing. The defensive styles with very little attacking are all like that. And they're a pain to play against those rascals will test your consistency like no other...
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Pushblocker
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obesechopper
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Do you mean the push against backspin? So you'd be returning a relatively fast top spin shot coming off your LP? Basic strategy would be to block their top spin attack -- force them to push back the return -- then you hit an aggressive push from that back spin ball of theirs? Similar to that section of the video (using anti)?
Edited by obesechopper - 06/02/2017 at 12:25pm |
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ChichoFicho
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Luka Mladenovic's rating should be 2700+.
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JacekGM
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Thank you very much. Kalaczewskiy 's got a game... . BTW, is this still an ITTF approved rubber sheet if one glues the topsheet on a thicker sponge than that commercially offered? I am inclined to think it is not...
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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pgpg
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ITTF approves topsheets, not sponges.
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USATT: ~1810
Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
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