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Very good game! Enjoyed every second of it. It wasn't pushblocker's day as a lot of loops went long. Great mind game...
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interesting match.. It was decided by unforced errors.. Pushblocker would have been better off attacking less. He missed too many shots..
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

interesting match.. It was decided by unforced errors.. Pushblocker would have been better off attacking less. He missed too many shots..

I think a different way. 

He was loop only one time then turn back to block again that will give the opponent a chance to push the ball back and back to the safety position.

Luckily, another player didn't play well also. He needs to keep practice forehand loop if he wants to improve to next level. Depend to the backhand is not going anywhere.

He is not good defense like you, pushblocker so he needs attack before they attack him. The last game he loose because he starts chop block more than forehand loop, he needs more aggressive in the game.



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Very good match, PB, thanks for posting. Smart playing. Both players are at a very decent level. 

- I am a little puzzled by the info box on the screen saying that the winner (Kalaczevskiy) played with    Dornenglanz 2 on one side and Tenergy 05 on the other, do I get it right? Please correct me.
- The pb defender is a very skilled LP player, however he seems to have run out of steam after game 4,    maybe his backbone scoliosis is in part responsible for this?
- It would be very interesting to see a match between the pb defnder guy and Stefan Kostadinovic...


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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Very good match, PB, thanks for posting. Smart playing. Both players are at a very decent level. 

- I am a little puzzled by the info box on the screen saying that the winner (Kalaczevskiy) played with    Dornenglanz 2 on one side and Tenergy 05 on the other, do I get it right? Please correct me.
- The pb defender is a very skilled LP player, however he seems to have run out of steam after game 4,    maybe his backbone scoliosis is in part responsible for this?
- It would be very interesting to see a match between the pb defnder guy and Stefan Kostadinovic...

As a note, Luka (the push blocker) plays with frictionless anti spin in thick sponge.
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

interesting match.. It was decided by unforced errors.. Pushblocker would have been better off attacking less. He missed too many shots..

Pushblocker, did you ever try frictionless anti spin for your type of game? 

I know your style gets a lot of negative comments! But it's one of my favorites to watch, and I've been trying to model a bit of my playing after yours -- using frictionless anti spin though. Do you think that is still doable, or are the LP required? 
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I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.

Luka is WR 410 or so (perhaps ~2600 USATT?), just won his qualifying group at WTTC and lost in the first round to WR86 Cho Seungmin 3:4. So, he's pretty decent. Big smile
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Originally posted by obesechopper obesechopper wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

interesting match.. It was decided by unforced errors.. Pushblocker would have been better off attacking less. He missed too many shots..

Pushblocker, did you ever try frictionless anti spin for your type of game? 

I know your style gets a lot of negative comments! But it's one of my favorites to watch, and I've been trying to model a bit of my playing after yours -- using frictionless anti spin though. Do you think that is still doable, or are the LP required? 
Tried frictionless anti and it is great for blocking but sucks for aggressive pushing. My weapon is not my block but my aggressive push off the bounce and I can't do that shot with frictionless anti.. 
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

interesting match.. It was decided by unforced errors.. Pushblocker would have been better off attacking less. He missed too many shots..

I think a different way. 

He was loop only one time then turn back to block again that will give the opponent a chance to push the ball back and back to the safety position.

Luckily, another player didn't play well also. He needs to keep practice forehand loop if he wants to improve to next level. Depend to the backhand is not going anywhere.

He is not good defense like you, pushblocker so he needs attack before they attack him. The last game he loose because he starts chop block more than forehand loop, he needs more aggressive in the game.

I personally try do dare the defender to attack me to get him to beat himself. Neither of the 2 players in the match had a consistent attacking game..
A few years ago, I played a really good defender who rarely makes mistakes. I gave him tons of medium high semi lobs to get him to attack me. He had 1mm sponged chinese rubber on the forehand and it was easy for me to block his attacks. I won as I got him to attack and he missed more than he scored when attacking.. 
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.
I think that both of those guys are better than I am. They have more variation in their shots than I do.. I'm not playing as strong as I used to.. I don't even practice anymore.. I just play tournaments.. My rating is only 2137 now... a far cry from the 2200's and even 2300's I used to be..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o93UYTIn8&feature=youtu.be

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.


No disrespect to pushblocker but here is the link with Lupa Mladenovic (blue pushblocker) beating Kanak Jha (ustta rating 2670)  at the 2016 WTTC.  Just a few skill levels up.  Just goes to show how inaccurate our rating estimations are on this forum!


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Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o93UYTIn8&feature=youtu.be

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.


No disrespect to pushblocker but here is the link with Lupa Mladenovic (blue pushblocker) beating Kanak Jha (ustta rating 2670)  at the 2016 WTTC.  Just a few skill levels up.  Just goes to show how inaccurate our rating estimations are on this forum!


Pushblocking is a hard to estimate style.... Nobody would believe that I topped 2300's with that style.. Well, at least during the time that I was still practicing, I was able to maintain 2200 level for years..and if people would watch me, they thought that I was 1700. When I saw that match, it was clear to me that both players were well above my level..

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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Very good match, PB, thanks for posting. Smart playing. Both players are at a very decent level. 

- I am a little puzzled by the info box on the screen saying that the winner (Kalaczevskiy) played with    Dornenglanz 2 on one side and Tenergy 05 on the other, do I get it right? Please correct me.
- The pb defender is a very skilled LP player, however he seems to have run out of steam after game 4,    maybe his backbone scoliosis is in part responsible for this?
- It would be very interesting to see a match between the pb defnder guy and Stefan Kostadinovic...

As a note, Luka (the push blocker) plays with frictionless anti spin in thick sponge.

Okay, thank you for the correction. And how about the info about Kalaczevskiy playing with Dornenglanz 2 on his BH, is this real?
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

 

Okay, thank you for the correction. And how about the info about Kalaczevskiy playing with Dornenglanz 2 on his BH, is this real?

It is, AFAIK - I think he does have sponge under it, though (custom glued, DGII comes only in OX, I believe). There are tons of his videos with stated equipment on tt-maximum YT channel.
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o93UYTIn8&feature=youtu.be

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.


No disrespect to pushblocker but here is the link with Lupa Mladenovic (blue pushblocker) beating Kanak Jha (ustta rating 2670)  at the 2016 WTTC.  Just a few skill levels up.  Just goes to show how inaccurate our rating estimations are on this forum!


Pushblocking is a hard to estimate style.... Nobody would believe that I topped 2300's with that style.. Well, at least during the time that I was still practicing, I was able to maintain 2200 level for years..and if people would watch me, they thought that I was 1700. When I saw that match, it was clear to me that both players were well above my level..

As a random observation - at one point after watching several Pushblocker's videos, I decided to see for myself how hard it is to play this style - blocking/pushing off the bounce. it was very hard to keep blocks low and short - requires a lot of touch. Gave me new appreciation to the skill one must have to play that way. Clap
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o93UYTIn8&feature=youtu.be

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.


No disrespect to pushblocker but here is the link with Lupa Mladenovic (blue pushblocker) beating Kanak Jha (ustta rating 2670)  at the 2016 WTTC.  Just a few skill levels up.  Just goes to show how inaccurate our rating estimations are on this forum!


Pushblocking is a hard to estimate style.... Nobody would believe that I topped 2300's with that style.. Well, at least during the time that I was still practicing, I was able to maintain 2200 level for years..and if people would watch me, they thought that I was 1700. When I saw that match, it was clear to me that both players were well above my level..

Very tough style to do well! It's one of those that looks easy, but when you're blocking/pushing 90%+ of the time... you need to be on point! Placement and variation wise. Guys like Liu Song do the push block/chopblock on backhand, but dominate with the forehand mainly. They wouldn't get nearly that far using the LP predominately. Similar to how classical defenders have a tougher time advancing. The defensive styles with very little attacking are all like that. 

And they're a pain to play against LOL those rascals will test your consistency like no other... 
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Originally posted by obesechopper obesechopper wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by clannewton clannewton wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o93UYTIn8&feature=youtu.be

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

I think our pushblocker is a much better than the blue pushblocker.  Many of blues pb's were high.  With a consistent loop blue would do much better.


No disrespect to pushblocker but here is the link with Lupa Mladenovic (blue pushblocker) beating Kanak Jha (ustta rating 2670)  at the 2016 WTTC.  Just a few skill levels up.  Just goes to show how inaccurate our rating estimations are on this forum!


Pushblocking is a hard to estimate style.... Nobody would believe that I topped 2300's with that style.. Well, at least during the time that I was still practicing, I was able to maintain 2200 level for years..and if people would watch me, they thought that I was 1700. When I saw that match, it was clear to me that both players were well above my level..

Very tough style to do well! It's one of those that looks easy, but when you're blocking/pushing 90%+ of the time... you need to be on point! Placement and variation wise. Guys like Liu Song do the push block/chopblock on backhand, but dominate with the forehand mainly. They wouldn't get nearly that far using the LP predominately. Similar to how classical defenders have a tougher time advancing. The defensive styles with very little attacking are all like that. 

And they're a pain to play against LOL those rascals will test your consistency like no other... 
For me, the key is the aggressive push. Any 2000+ player should not have a problem with the blocks, however, a fast, aggressive, off the bounce push can control the game. A push is usually a defensive shot, but good pushblockers will use it as an offensive weapon..
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

For me, the key is the aggressive push. Any 2000+ player should not have a problem with the blocks, however, a fast, aggressive, off the bounce push can control the game. A push is usually a defensive shot, but good pushblockers will use it as an offensive weapon..

Do you mean the push against backspin? So you'd be returning a relatively fast top spin shot coming off your LP? 

Basic strategy would be to block their top spin attack -- force them to push back the return -- then you hit an aggressive push from that back spin ball of theirs? 


Similar to that section of the video (using anti)? 


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Luka Mladenovic's  rating should be 2700+.
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

 

Okay, thank you for the correction. And how about the info about Kalaczevskiy playing with Dornenglanz 2 on his BH, is this real?
It is, AFAIK - I think he does have sponge under it, though (custom glued, DGII comes only in OX, I believe). There are tons of his videos with stated equipment on tt-maximum YT channel.

Thank you very much. Kalaczewskiy 's got a game... Wink

BTW, is this still an ITTF approved rubber sheet if one glues the topsheet on a thicker sponge than that commercially offered? I am inclined to think it is not...
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

 

Okay, thank you for the correction. And how about the info about Kalaczevskiy playing with Dornenglanz 2 on his BH, is this real?
It is, AFAIK - I think he does have sponge under it, though (custom glued, DGII comes only in OX, I believe). There are tons of his videos with stated equipment on tt-maximum YT channel.

Thank you very much. Kalaczewskiy 's got a game... Wink

BTW, is this still an ITTF approved rubber sheet if one glues the topsheet on a thicker sponge than that commercially offered? I am inclined to think it is not...

ITTF approves topsheets, not sponges.
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