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    Posted: 07/19/2017 at 6:44am

Man, the CNT are fast learners... ZJK's the first one to start experimenting making the strawberry flick extremely similar to the banana....
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Looking forward to someone inventing watermelon flick.

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"Man, the CNT are fast learners... ZJK's the first one to start experimenting making the strawberry flick extremely similar to the banana...."

Nope. I've seen Miu Hirano doing it. And allegedly it has been on Stefan Fetch's arsenal for a while. 

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am I the only one who cannot stand his voice?

The shot itself seems like this shot:


It is super old. According to the guy this shot it from the 60s.


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Banana flick I get but strawberry flick is a stupid name.  Maybe call it a reverse banana flick.
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Pretty sure Ive seen Patrick Chila doing it as well.

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It might be an easier shot to do with pips.  I'm able to do it with LP's. 
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This is not really a new technique.  I have seen several players use it, mainly when rushing for a short ball on top of the table, but Lubomir Pistej uses it consistently to win points.  I believe this video is from 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMmdKjRix90&t=132s

I have also seen penholders with TPB use it as a way to open up a point.  Modern defenders like CWX also use it although less potent because of the LP backhand.  It's called a "side swipe" but the fruit analogy is being used so someone can say he started a trend phrase like "off the hook" or "fo shizzle".
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I've also seen many french players since the time of Chila use it.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

It might be an easier shot to do with pips.  I'm able to do it with LP's. 

I have seen a lot of LP players do this shot, it actually surprises me if an LP player doesn't do this to short serves :)
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What's the purpose of this stroke? Why not just do the regular flick?

Edited by wanchope - 07/19/2017 at 3:35pm
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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

What's the purpose of this stroke? Why not just do the regular flick?


For me the strawberry stroke allows me to take a short ball to my forehand and send it quick and wide to my opponents forehand.  I can also go down the line with it.  It can be fairly deceptive in the direction you want to hit.  Most opponents don't expect the strawberry.


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I'd like to start a campaign to rename this stroke to 'Croissant Flick'....

Giving credit to the French players who definitely play this stroke more than most IMO...
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Somewhat off-topic, but I wonder whether this shot also has a fancy name:
1) start from the banana flick position
2) now imagine a ball coming fast and long directly at your elbow
3) so you rotate your wrist 90 degrees clockwise, so that the racket tip faces up and your elbow points down and then
4) you hit the ball from this position, by continuing rotating the wrist clockwise and moving your forearm downward, like for a chop; the elbow stays low.
You hit the ball with the BH rubber on the FH side and the ball gets a back+sidespin rotation, depending on the moment you hit it (early=sidespin, late=mostly backspin).
I happen to do this quite often when the ball comes at my elbow and I'm off-guard, so I don't have the time or balance to side-step and get it with my forehand.
Does it have a name? The "lazy reverse chop"?
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Somewhat off-topic, but I wonder whether this shot also has a fancy name:
1) start from the banana flick position
2) now imagine a ball coming fast and long directly at your elbow
3) so you rotate your wrist 90 degrees clockwise, so that the racket tip faces up and your elbow points down and then
4) you hit the ball from this position, by continuing rotating the wrist clockwise and moving your forearm downward, like for a chop; the elbow stays low.
You hit the ball with the BH rubber on the FH side and the ball gets a back+sidespin rotation, depending on the moment you hit it (early=sidespin, late=mostly backspin).
I happen to do this quite often when the ball comes at my elbow and I'm off-guard, so I don't have the time or balance to side-step and get it with my forehand.
Does it have a name? The "lazy reverse chop"?


I'm not sure, but think I have used this very lazy reverse chop before, only in emergencies.  I definitely don't practice it, or ever plan to use it.  It's very effective since I, or my opponent don't have a clue as to what I'm doing.  There was a guy at our club used it fairly often.  The more he used it the easier it was to play.  I think the surprise factor is what makes it work.

I suspect there are a few players who have weird shots they developed in the garage or basement and modified them to fit their improved club play.
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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

"Man, the CNT are fast learners... ZJK's the first one to start experimenting making the strawberry flick extremely similar to the banana...."

Nope. I've seen Miu Hirano doing it. And allegedly it has been on Stefan Fetch's arsenal for a while. 

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There has been many players who have done the stroke successfully, but none of them have attempted to disguise it as a banana flick, which is the novel part of what ZJK is practising here....
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Originally posted by BaiMile BaiMile wrote:

Looking forward to someone inventing watermelon flick.
that's when the paddle slips from the hand when making a smash and goes straight to the opponent's head. A true winner !
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Lol, it's a good start of the day with these banana, strawberry and watermelon fruit talks (breakfast).   Smile
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

[QUOTE=BaiMile] Looking forward to someone inventing watermelon flick.
that's when the paddle slips from the hand when making a smash and goes straight to the opponent's head. A true winner ![/QUOTE

The watermelon stroke is best used a few seconds after an opponent gets his 4th edge ball in a game on match point.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Somewhat off-topic, but I wonder whether this shot also has a fancy name:
1) start from the banana flick position
2) now imagine a ball coming fast and long directly at your elbow
3) so you rotate your wrist 90 degrees clockwise, so that the racket tip faces up and your elbow points down and then
4) you hit the ball from this position, by continuing rotating the wrist clockwise and moving your forearm downward, like for a chop; the elbow stays low.
You hit the ball with the BH rubber on the FH side and the ball gets a back+sidespin rotation, depending on the moment you hit it (early=sidespin, late=mostly backspin).
I happen to do this quite often when the ball comes at my elbow and I'm off-guard, so I don't have the time or balance to side-step and get it with my forehand.
Does it have a name? The "lazy reverse chop"?


I'm not sure, but think I have used this very lazy reverse chop before, only in emergencies.  I definitely don't practice it, or ever plan to use it.  It's very effective since I, or my opponent don't have a clue as to what I'm doing.  There was a guy at our club used it fairly often.  The more he used it the easier it was to play.  I think the surprise factor is what makes it work.

I suspect there are a few players who have weird shots they developed in the garage or basement and modified them to fit their improved club play.


Well, I described it as "lazy" because I wanted to give it a funny name, but it can be an active stroke. I've seen Ovtcharov doing this shot a number of times, a good example is at the men's singles quarter finals of the 2016 German Open at 23m50s (2:1 to 2:2 in game 3):
https://tv.ittf.com/video/chuang-chih-yuan-ovtcharov-dimitrij/667469


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It can be a very good and aggressive shot.  I only use it when I've been too lazy to move my feet.
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Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Banana flick I get but strawberry flick is a stupid name.  Maybe call it a reverse banana flick.
I agree it shouldn't be called strawberry. Maybe call it the plantain.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by BaiMile BaiMile wrote:

Looking forward to someone inventing watermelon flick.
that's when the paddle slips from the hand when making a smash and goes straight to the opponent's head. A true winner !

Damn it, I was just thinking about naming a flick called watermelon flick.  In that case, I'm going to come up with a Melon Flick, sounds kinda dirty to me.... LOL
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I like it. First time I saw it, it was from Xu Xin. And I've seen the similar push variation before. Great variation to disguise with the banana flick. 


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when Miu Hirano does it is a chick flick

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The strawberry stroke should only be used for pips out since, unlike other fruit, its seeds are on the outside.
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I tried the stroke this week, and it is super effective especially if you disguise the backswing to be similar to the chiquita! Am quite inconsistent with it though, there's a certain timing that you have to hit the ball, otherwise it's very easy to hit it out of the table...
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