I don't like T05

[QUOTE=TwiddleDee]I am amazed how long it lasts if taken care of. I have an all wood blade with some 05 that I put on it in maybe 2012 ?. It looks like and plays great. I have no idea how many hours of play are on that rubber. I use that paddle as a coaching paddle every week. It just keeps on going.[/QUOTE

Most likely, manufacturers will always exclude the "preserving" chemical additives from original rubber formula so as to get their rubber products to only last for a short time., just for getting better turnover.   Very clever business, indeed.

NextLevel wrote: Baal wrote: Meanwhile my Karis M seems immortal. I still regret taking off my initial sheets.  It actually plays better with age.

Yes, I also think it may improve with time but absolutely it is not getting worse.  And so I am not changing until it is obvious that I have to.  And I am not close to that point.  Yesterday I compared my backup blade with fairly unused Karis M with my main blade with quite a few months of use.  Actually both sheet sets are old but only one has been played with.  No difference except a small one that I know is due to the blade.  I have not seen anything like it since the days when I was a kid and played with green Yasaka three-star Cobra. 

zeio wrote: jonyer1980 wrote: 05 last a bit longer but the price tag doesn't justify that diffenrence.  A brand new M1 or MXP is nearly as spinny as 05, maybe 5-8% less. However a 6 month ESN is garbage and 05 is still usable& have some grip. Here is a 59-month-old Hexer HD in action, never came off the blade once.

fatt wrote: Friends at the club who started using rasanter before me report that after 2 months It loses its spin; if that's true then BTY figured something out the competition still tries to reproduce: durability. I am very surprised BTY was able until now to protect its secret formula: they play a game at the same level than Coca Cola.

Tenergy was, LION, the 1st rubber to come with big porous sponge. ESN's 4th-gen Tensor was a me-too product. Just as Bryce was the 1st rubber to be marketed as high-tensioned. ESN's Tensor was still in the lab.

Regarding durability, the two opinions below are very common in China as well.

Tenergy seems to have bit more gradual dropoff whereas the heavier tuned ESNs can appear to fall off a cliff.

Tenergy is most likely the most durable rubber on the market, barring some weird, fringe, shoe-like chinese.. The tenergy sponge retains kick forever. And the topsheet, while gradually losing grip, is still not slippery at the 6 month mark, and does not have the signature center wear and discoloration of ESN rubbers. ESN rubbers look totally different in the center in a week, not sure why. I don't even use tenergy any more, its too jumpy for me. So I am not really a fanboy. That doesn't mean I can deny the durability.

Even Butterfly stresses that point in the infomercial.

P.S. Another point is that many users unanimously reported that the batches of Tenergy in the 1st year after release lasted much longer than the ones after.

Edited by zeio - 08/01/2017 at 1:21pm

fatt wrote: Friends at the club who started using rasanter before me report that after 2 months It loses its spin; if that's true then BTY figured something out the competition still tries to reproduce: durability. I am very surprised BTY was able until now to protect its secret formula: they play a game at the same level than Coca Cola.

This tongue in cheek post actually sparked up quite an interesting thread. I put this post meaning to be a little bit funny after reading through another thread about your best blade rubber combination. I was just surprised how many people kept saying T05 was a part of their best combination. Out of the Tenergy rubbers I've tried, I liked T25fx the most. I actually played with T25fx for quite some time and I rather liked that rubber, I just wanted something a little bit more linear and prefer a little bit more grip on the topsheet.


Edited by ericd937 - 07/31/2017 at 8:53pm

I think I took some pictures of the setup but I don't have access to either right now.

It is holding up pretty well. No crumbling of topsheet, to this date, though the sponge feels H3-dead by now, which improves touch considerably.

Showed signs of wear 4 months in at roughly 3 hours a week. Hexer is also similar in that respect, but it developed soft spots and slipping around the 1-year mark, whereas Hexer HD did not.

Contrary to what's a common occurrence, both sheets didn't shrink on me.

jonyer1980 wrote: 05 last a bit longer but the price tag doesn't justify that diffenrence.  A brand new M1 or MXP is nearly as spinny as 05, maybe 5-8% less. However a 6 month ESN is garbage and 05 is still usable& have some grip.

Here is a 59-month-old Hexer HD in action, never came off the blade once.

I liked Tenergy 05 fine for eight years but when I tried Karis M for the first time I discovered that there were some pretty important aspects of my game that were suffering as a result (mainly my ability to keep the ball on the table when I was under pressure, and my return of serve).  Initially Karis M felt dead and it seemed like I was giving up some penetration on my offensive shots, but now I hit as hard and spinny as ever.  My technique adapted.  But I saw the benefits of a very linear rubber right away. 

All this stuff is really a matter of taste, play style, and what you are used to.  But these days I really like rubbers where what you get out is more directly related to what you put in.

With that said, I perfectly understand why a lot of people like it and why it is a dominant rubber among professionals (and the ones that are also widely used share a lot of its properties, or are very extensively boosted Chinese rubber, which is a different animal altogether).

Outside of the price, T05 the best euro/japanese rubber I have ever used, I simply don't have the strength to play chinese rubbers (boosted or unboosted), so I don't think its fair for me to compare them to tenergy for my use-case. 

05 last a bit longer but the price tag doesn't justify that diffenrence.  A brand new M1 or MXP is nearly as spinny as 05, maybe 5-8% less.

incarnation wrote: so what is the best T05 alternatives now in 2017?

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Edited by zeio - 07/31/2017 at 12:33pm

bard romance wrote: I'm not a Tenergy devotee.  These T05/alternative threads generally only go one way. T05 gets bashed purely because of its price, plain and simple, then that carries over to performance bashing which is quite frankly, ridiculous. Look at the recent "professional players should not use T05" thread. So what is the reason for this? Are the members of this forum really that altruistic that they want to save random people from the internet 25 bucks every few months? Why do they never preach about how much better Evolution MX-P, value and performance wise, compared to other rubbers?