Feedback: shawnnie20

So, what's the point? Those blades are listed on ebay, right?

You should know that I have edited Chico Ficho's post here to markedly tone down some of his original wording and this has not been an easy case for me to deal with (there are competing claims of bad behavior).  Blades should arrive in the condition in which they were advertised -- that is part of the reason we want good pictures posted here -- but when a refund is offered reasonable people settle the matter. And when that does not settle things, a moderator has to step in and use whatever information is available. 

• Chico has been buying and selling blades at MyTT for a very long time and when he says he offered a refund I am going to accept that.  I have never received any complaint about Chico in the For Sale section. 
• The behavior of someone buying or selling blades on ebay is relevant to people who might want to have a transaction with that same person here and it is relevant to decisions I have to make as moderator.  The ebay threads did convince me that this relatively new member (Shawnie) might be difficult to deal with, especially since he did not contact me with any complaint before escalating matters in a pretty outrageous way (enough that I had to delete that thread). 

Note that my wording here is quite measured.  I am trying to deal with a dispute and the only thing I have to go on is what I have seen from posts and PMs here.  I am not trying to accuse anyone of anything, and my initial reflex was to delete this entire thread, as I did to another one (in which personal information was posted).  I decided there was value in allowing this one to remain with modification, and with this comment and readers can conclude what they will.

notfound123 wrote: I totally get it that the buyer shouldn't have posted what he posted, etc etc.. I can see how the other guy was probably pushy, trying to negotiate, and so on. HOWEVER.. take rubber sales as an example: if I am buying a new Tenergy from you, you cannot send me a cut "like new" sheet even though it might still look brand new to you. You have to disclose it upfront.

To Baal

Are you friend of that fishy seller?

I posted feedback of ChichoFicho because ChichoFicho did something very wrong and he needs to know he has to be honest with what he sold.

I Don't understand that you deleted my posting that people have to be aware of.

Are you protecting fishy seller than other member? If that is true I'm very disappointed.

What is purpose of feedback section?? Someone can easily deleted.... is not right.

Tell the truth and people have to know that what kind of seller.

This is the post you deleted.

If you delete this again you are Unprejudiced person.

And I am going to quit MyTT because manager don care members suffering.

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Once you sent pictures and mentioned "Brand new"

YOU HAVE TO SEND EXACT SAME CONDITION
NO MATTER WHAT!!!

For collectors, this is definitely used blade and not acceptable.

At least you have to say sorry, but you are barefaced

Such a LIAR and barefaced seller EVER.

I don't think I need to explain to you about my eBay posting but since you are attacking me, so I defend myself.

First of all, My eBay posting is NON OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Personally, I'm a collector and using eBay to get connected worldwide to trade or buy blades.

Recently, I bought a jpen custom at $1700, once again, this is NON OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Shame on you.

Last, I'm not going to post any reply about this matter.

I already made claims, so let's see who is going to win.

No more conversation with the person who is very unprofessional and deceptive.

I do not want to waste my valuable time with swindler.

I am not a friend of the seller (in fact have warned him about some comments he has made in the main part of the forum, which I can say pissed him off greatly).  But I have been moderator here for many years, and he has been buying and selling here for a long time without any complaints. 

I have to go with the information I have, I also have to take into account that with new members like you we don't really have any track record to go on.  Part of what I have to go on is the tone of the comments.  You will notice that I allowed the fact that you say you received a blade in a condition not the same as advertised to be seen by readers, which is the main complaint.  I did not erase that. 

I have removed most of the name calling.  I have removed personal identifying information.  I have also allowed readers to know about your pricing strategies for blades you sell on ebay.  You say it is none of my business?  I say it is because it tells me things about the people who wish to traffic in blades here.

The simplest solution is for you to return the blade to Chico Fricho and take the refund he offered.

The worst thing you can do right about now is to attack me, at least if you want to continue to use this forum. 

If you decide to quit MyTT I think nobody will miss you.

So, take the refund and send it back.

Then we can all move on.

Ok. This should not be hard to solve.  Ship the blade back and get a refund.

As for posts deleted, I hide all posts that reveal personal information prior to a dispute being solved.

This is the ORIGINAL EMAIL TREAD,

Edited by shawnnie20 - 09/15/2017 at 3:40pm

Know that I will delete all posts that reveal personal information. 

I understand that collectors as opposed to players are more particular about the exact condition of blades.

But it should have been a lot easier to solve this.  

I will give this about a day to resolve and then I will delete all threads that pertain to it.

I don't want there to be any more posts from either of the people involved that are on any subject other than the specifics of how the blade will be returned and how the refund will be made!!!!!!!!!  Both of these things have to happen.  There should be a tracking number when the blade is shipped.  I would like it sent to me.  I would also like reports on what is happening regarding the refund.

Being particular about the exact blade conditions is one thing. Advertising it as "brand new", but sending a used one is another. There's more of a difference between 100% and 99%, than between 95% and 90%. That's common sense. 

If the buyer's original claim is valid, I think he deserves having his feedback published so that other members can see, and so that the seller won't make the same advertising mistake in future.

Likewise, the seller's accusations about the buyer, if substantiated, should also be allowed to exist. That's the purpose of giving feedback.

All personal attacks, personal information, unsubstantiated or unsubstantiable accusations should be deleted.

Baal wrote: Know that I will delete all posts that reveal personal information.  I understand that collectors as opposed to players are more particular about the exact condition of blades. But it should have been a lot easier to solve this.   I will give this about a day to resolve and then I will delete all threads that pertain to it. I don't want there to be any more posts from either of the people involved that are on any subject other than the specifics of how the blade will be returned and how the refund will be made!!!!!!!!!  Both of these things have to happen.  There should be a tracking number when the blade is shipped.  I would like it sent to me.  I would also like reports on what is happening regarding the refund.

xujinjiang99 wrote: Being particular about the exact blade conditions is one thing. Advertising it as "brand new", but sending a used one is another. There's more of a difference between 100% and 99%, than between 95% and 90%. That's common sense.  If the buyer's original claim is valid, I think he deserves having his feedback published so that other members can see, and so that the seller won't make the same advertising mistake in future. Likewise, the seller's accusations about the buyer, if substantiated, should also be allowed to exist. That's the purpose of giving feedback. All personal attacks, personal information, unsubstantiated or unsubstantiable accusations should be deleted.

I completely agree.  But not everything is finished yet and it is not always able to see what really happened, so you need to rely to some extent in members' history (or lack thereof).  This is a case that really needs resolution in the way I outlined in bold print above, and soon. 

In other words, if I am required to referee this whole thing, then I need to see evidence that the blade has been shipped back to Chico and evidence that a refund has been sent to Shawnie.

How I document this whole thing after that depends on what happens.

Hopefully that will happen and we can all move on with honor intact.

Frankly, this is nothing like the kind of scammer cases I see where people don't ship blades that have been purchased.  This is for some reason people who have gone out of their minds.

Kolev, insofar as I can understand the almost incoherent thing you just wrote, all I can say is that "tested for an hour" is not the same as new, and in testing for an  hour I have never managed to impart such noticeable sweat stains on a blade.  I think I have summarized the facts that any of us on the outside can ascertain  as best as I can.  I didn't see the blade before and after shipping and either did you.  I have seen a lot of photos.

I can say is that this kind of disagreement is not at all unusual, but members usually resolve it among themselves quite easily without accusations.  Like grownups.

Now, all I want to hear is that this has been resolved in the only possible way -- with a refund and with a return of the blade -- and with out any more hysteria or posturing. 

Chicho says he has offered a refund repeatedly, he has stated that here, and that was the right thing to do, but I don't know about the communications that happened that caused this whole thing to escalate, but given some of the things I have seen already, I can imagine easily how things got out of control, and all I can do is shake my head. 

Shawnie can get his money back and all he has to do is return the blade. 

So I am now locking this thread because frankly it is tiresome to all of us.  I will unlock it when I hear that the two people have figured out how to deal with this. 

Shawnie, for now that means the ball is in your court.  Return the blade and get a refund and remain a member here.

Chicho and Shawnie can reach me by PM to let me know how and when this is resolved. 

Do not start any more threads to discuss this affair.