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Joola Rhyzer 48 Review |
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Kolev
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I have been using the Rhyzer 48 for a few months now on my teaching racket and have greatly enjoyed it's playing characteristics. It is fast and does feel a lot like speed glued rubber from the old days. However the topsheet really grips the ball producing a great amount of spin on serves, pushes, and loops. Like all fast rubbers it does reward good technical and magnifies errors. It is a great rubber for counter-topspin. A number of my students have switched to the Rhyzer and so far have been very happy with it.
Back in May, while in India conducting several ITTF Coaching Courses and a High Performance Camp, a number of National Level Juniors tried my racket and many wanted to know how to get the Rhyzer rubber. I use a Rossi Emotion Blade.
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Reviving an old thread here but Rhyzer 48 is one of the candidates on my next purchase.
I read comments here about this rubber going well with certain blades. My understanding of blade is rather limited and I'm uncertain as to which blade has what throw angle. I'm currently using DHS Long 5 and I was wondering if this blade would go well with Rhyzer 48?
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If you reboost it once imo it will always play a bit softer than usual, or at least the perception of, as you are stretching the topsheet akin to 05 towards 64
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Tommy16
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Yes Rhyzer 48 is very spinny on serves. Short pushes are not really easy to excecute since this rubber is really fast. I found that black sheet has more booster and feels firmer than red ones. But I only tested one black and 2 red sheets so this info might not be accurate. Topsheet of Rhyzer wears out quite quickly and that is a main reason I went back to Rasanter 47 which is a bit milder version of Rhyzer with better topsheet (imho). So if I were you I would start with Rasanter R47 since it is a quite safe bet. I have played through whole post speedglue era so it is possible that my memory doen’t serve me right tough:).
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What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style
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Very interesting! I used to play with a glued up Mendo MP too in the late 90's! When I restarted after 14 years absence - I bought it again - and used it glued at 1st out of nostalgia and then boosted - I still could play against good players playing with modern rubbers - Mendo MP was still VERY fast. It does however lack spin on pushes and serves compared to modern rubbers which are very grippy. Eventually I replaced it with Adidas P7 which is slower but safer and spinnier. Fast forward to now...I've been not playing for 2 years and Adidas p7 no longer exists!!!!! And...there's the new ball.... Do you think the Rhyzer would suit me since I loved the Mendo MP? Is the Rhyzer spinny on short pushes and serves too?
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Thanks. I really hoped that you would answer differently. All those new generations ESN seem to have the same problem. I don't like the idea of reboosting every month, cause anyway it won't be the same
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About 3 weeks to 1 month, it makes the rubber feel a lot harder and not to my taste, starts like Tenergy hardness but then it bricks once the booster wears off. Still plays well but I like to reboost afterwards
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Out of topic: how long before the booster in MX-P is totally gone. Does that change dramatically the playing characteristics of this rubber? From what I understood the Rhyzer 48 changes after month or so
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Actually i feel the same way too. Mxp can outspin aurus prime.
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I feel I can generate a lot more spin with MX-P vs Aurus Prime, but not sure about the others, surely it would be similar though? Something to do with the topsheet being thicker and firmer?
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I do not blame people who stay with mxp because IMHO thr mxp is still a very good rubber. Even though newer generation rubbers have come out, people are etill comfortable with mxp. The rhyzer and rubbers of the same generation like z1, victas v15, have greater potential for speed and spin but theybseem to have less control due to speed.
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Ooops, right. It was the Aurus Prime review. Shame on me
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With all due respect: why would Tibhar sponsored Drinkhall review a Joola rubber? |
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Edited by Kolev - 04/13/2018 at 6:46pm |
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The rhyzer has power beyond that of the mxp even at stronger shots. Even at far distance the topspin with the rhyzer 48 can still go off the table more with a longer trajectory than the mxp. People think the mxp is stronger but this is rather because the mxp has better control compared to the rhyzer 48 in that they can apply more force without getting too much error as compared to the rhyzer 48.
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From what iv read so far I'm assuming that rhyzer48 has a low throw combined with a long trajectory right in comparison to mx-p's medium throw and medium trajectory while t05 has a high throw and a tight (short) trajectory.
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No it does not, IMHO. That is the gist of my comparison: Rhyzer 48 wins in spin / speed on low impact loops, opening loops & offers more control in short game. MX-P wins in power loops, punches and smashes (high impact strokes). |
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That's a good comparison, I think you should add that at slower racket speed MX-P provides more and easy access to speed/spin
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I compared both Z1 and Rhyzer 48 (R48) with MX-P (all max, all on the same model ALC blade) - practice & match play.
There are reviews that state that R48 is the fastest. While they are not necessarily incorrect, it is important to know the context. On strokes that don't deform / go through its thin topsheet a lot, it is the most powerful. However, on stronger strokes than that, you get a power loss with thin topsheets. That is why MX-P performs better in those strokes. However, in grip as well as in spin on soft strokes, R48 is superior.
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Pity to hear that cause the rubber isn't a cheap one
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I have played with 1 black Rhyzer 48 and two red ones. To me it feels that the topsheet of a black Rhyzer feels much firmer than red ones. Due to really soft red topsheet it’s hard to counter drive of the bounce with red sheet. Red one is also more difficult to smash with. Slow spinny loops are easier to excecute with red one. We have to keep in mind that I have only tested 3 sheets so my opinion is not absolute truth. Any way quality difference of these 3 sheets is so big that I won’t stick with it any longer.
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What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style
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@Slevin. Do they smell the same?
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OK. Finally got a chance to try Rhyzer 48 and Bluestorm Z1 on the same model blade (with same weight):
In contrary to my prior opinion, their topsheet is quite different from each other - Relative to that of Z1, Rhyzer 48 topsheet is quite soft (almost like how Bluestorm Z2 is) and the overall feel of Rhyzer 48 is softer because of it. My recommendations:
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I havnt tried the rhyzer and bluestorm yet, I was talking with reference to hype kr and thr rasanters. So you mean rhyzer topsheet is gripper than mx-ps? How abt bluestorm? And by grippy you mean it grabs the ball even at low impact speeds right?
A bit off topic here, but Im really loving aurus select on my bh, though I even liked it when I tried it on my FH, sure it's slow and feels kinda soft, but it gives you pretty good confidence to juat close your bat angle fully and loop drive even balls below net level witout having to worry abt it not grabbing the ball. Also curious if any of the other new gen rubbers have a transparenty and slightly tacky topsheet like the select. And wish there was a harder sponged version of the select. |
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Agree regarding Omega 7 Pro & R47 grip. Strongly disagree regarding Rhyzer 48 grip which is clearly superior to MX-P grip. Edited by slevin - 03/13/2018 at 8:03pm |
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The top sheets on these rubbers just don't grab the ball like mx-p, t05 etc, so we need to let the ball dig into the topsheet a bit more. Aurus prime to me feels the most like mx-p and t05 in this regard.
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I agree. I have less control over short short and initial pushes, especially placement. This was most pronounced with the Andro R47 but still very present in the Joola R48 |
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Another observation: I have less control in pushes / short game with the thin topsheet / thick sponge R48 (max) as opposed to with MX-P (max) or T05 (max). But that could just be due to lack of familiarity with this new rubber.
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Thanks for all the reviews and experience sharing guys.
Does Rhyzer 48 degrade in performance and show shrinkage as fast as MX-P??? Also would like to know if Bluestorm Z1 has these issues or not? Thanks |
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