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Originally posted by acpoulos acpoulos wrote:

[...] I use Arthur C Clarke on my forehand and Isaac Asimov on my backhand...

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Originally posted by larrytt larrytt wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I suspect that Larry doesnt flout the spirit of the rules against repeatedly directing peop pl e to other websites but the percentage of his posts that direct you to his blog is high.
Okay, what's the guideline here? If someone asks a coaching or other table tennis question, and I've written a tip that answers the question, are you saying I shouldn't post the link because it directs them to my (nearly all volunteer) site, and if I do so, thereby answering their question, it's a negative? This is a serious question. 
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Well, there probably needs to be a certification by the moderators of people like you.  This is what happens on TTD.  The problem is that without this, then everyone can do what you do, and then the spammers or people who just want to take up space and do this are harder to police based on the current rules.  We can't solve this issue without using judgment, but my point is that it is not a personally motivated thing, but the way you write gives little empathy to the issue that the moderation team is trying to address.
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I like Larry's blog but I also think Baal made a point. Unfortunately these things have lots of gray area. I suspect that Larry doesnt flout the spirit of the rules against repeatedly directing peop pl e to other websites but the percentage of his posts that direct you to his blog is high. Unfortunately Larry is one of the most attacked and the most defensive public TT personalities. So if becomes less about understanding what is driving the perspectives and becomes about truth, Trump etc.

The letter of the rule unfortunately triggered moderation that does not apply to the spirit of what Larry does. That is all.


This specific letter of the rule (directing people to other sites) is violated left and right. I'm looking at your signature (YT link of Greg Letts video), 'fatt' has a link to Ross Leidy site, BH_Man has Nexy links, everyone links to YT videos. Should we chide zeio for sending us to YouTube to watch his subtitled videos?

A modest suggestion to moderators - it would be much more useful if rule violation issue was raised in PM. Would've avoided this entire kerfuffle. 

I am not citing the rule or trying to make a legal argument, but directing people to youtube is not the letter of the rule.  It's quite possible that someone reported Larry.  But even if not, the point is to try to promote interaction on the website.  There are some bloggers who do what Larry is doing but whose contributions are not viewed as positively. It's how to separate those categories of contributors that is in part the issue.  The rule is in part that we want members who contribute actively in the forum to be primarily the people that post here.  When people continually just post links to direct you to their blog, its takes some judgment to see whether they are contributing to the forum or not.  And when someone is just doing so repeatedly, it calls into question their motivations for repeatedly doing this - are they trying to help forum members and build the community or are they just trying to get more eyeballs on their website?

My point is not that Larry shouid not be doing what he is doing or that I am not completely wrong -  my point is that people have been banned for doing something similar to what Larry does and it's something that can be debated or discussed.  And if Larry stops answering questions and posting links to his blog, it is honestly not the end of the world.  It is a loss of valuable insight (and I say that as someone who read his blog religiously as I improved), but other people who post here more regularly can also provide such links as I have.  This is not a special insult or commentary on Larry.  Larry just writes as if it is (I do think some of fatt's statements are positively ignorant, fatt and I don't always see eye to eye on such things).
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Just to set the record straight, nobody reported Larry.  I made the post myself based on an impression I had come to over a year or two about his posting.  It was mainly intended as a suggestion and it was not intended  to start a flame war but it did.  Apparently.  It was not even a matter of Larry breaking "rules".  As JimT notes, the vast gray area there is like the galaxy.  Like I said, it was simply a suggestion, or more something that for whatever reason was annoying me.  His responses have made me consider that my annoyance was probably misplaced.

As for how to handle it?  Probably should have just sent a PM as pgpg suggested.

Anyway, really there is no longer any point in talking about this.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I like Larry's blog but I also think Baal made a point. Unfortunately these things have lots of gray area. I suspect that Larry doesnt flout the spirit of the rules against repeatedly directing peop pl e to other websites but the percentage of his posts that direct you to his blog is high. Unfortunately Larry is one of the most attacked and the most defensive public TT personalities. So if becomes less about understanding what is driving the perspectives and becomes about truth, Trump etc.

The letter of the rule unfortunately triggered moderation that does not apply to the spirit of what Larry does. That is all.


This specific letter of the rule (directing people to other sites) is violated left and right. I'm looking at your signature (YT link of Greg Letts video), 'fatt' has a link to Ross Leidy site, BH_Man has Nexy links, everyone links to YT videos. Should we chide zeio for sending us to YouTube to watch his subtitled videos?

A modest suggestion to moderators - it would be much more useful if rule violation issue was raised in PM. Would've avoided this entire kerfuffle. 

I am not citing the rule or trying to make a legal argument, but directing people to youtube is not the letter of the rule.  It's quite possible that someone reported Larry.  But even if not, the point is to try to promote interaction on the website.  There are some bloggers who do what Larry is doing but whose contributions are not viewed as positively. It's how to separate those categories of contributors that is in part the issue.  The rule is in part that we want members who contribute actively in the forum to be primarily the people that post here.  When people continually just post links to direct you to their blog, its takes some judgment to see whether they are contributing to the forum or not.  And when someone is just doing so repeatedly, it calls into question their motivations for repeatedly doing this - are they trying to help forum members and build the community or are they just trying to get more eyeballs on their website?

My point is not that Larry shouid not be doing what he is doing or that I am not completely wrong -  my point is that people have been banned for doing something similar to what Larry does and it's something that can be debated or discussed.  And if Larry stops answering questions and posting links to his blog, it is honestly not the end of the world.  It is a loss of valuable insight (and I say that as someone who read his blog religiously as I improved), but other people who post here more regularly can also provide such links as I have.  This is not a special insult or commentary on Larry.  Larry just writes as if it is (I do think some of fatt's statements are positively ignorant, fatt and I don't always see eye to eye on such things).

pgpg - Youtube videos, most of them can be played in an embedded mode without having to leave this site. 

Nextlevel - You are right about this, especially if in the recent past(last 6 months is good enough time to aggregate on) the only posts Larry has done are links to his site, it does raise a red-flag of only using this site to promote his material, and in that case it is the same as ERT.

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Hi Larry, I met a larry goldfarb in New Zealand, good bloke he does pushups before he plays, he said you and him were mates
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Originally posted by acpoulos acpoulos wrote:

There are all sorts of links on this site to many other sites. The more content and different sources of information the better imho. Regards sci-fi, I use Arthur C Clarke on my forehand and Isaac Asimov on my backhand...
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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

Hi Larry, I met a larry goldfarb in New Zealand, good bloke he does pushups before he plays, he said you and him were mates
I know him from tournaments over the years. He was the first 2000+ player I ever played in a tournament, in 1976, I think in my second tournament ever. I was rated 1148 and he was very nice as he clobbered me. I still remember my first words to him when we met before the match: "So you're a 2000 player?" I was in awe. 
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As a new player and member here, I just want to say thanks Larry for the mountains of obviously good advice your material has provided to me.  Please don't let these flame wars get to you, you're doing a great service.
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