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ZhouZhekai
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How exactly is Harimoto's forehand amateurish. I agree that it is unconventional, and maybe injury prone, and not as great as his backhand. Many of the great players also had unconventional techniques: Gatien, Zhang Jike, Wang Liqin, Kreanga, and i think boll even described Waldners forehand as having no topspin(what does that mean).
However one still has to consider that this is a forehand with which a 14/15 year old can survive in the World Top 20 relatively easily, so maybe compared to 25-35 year old it could be considered average.
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Yeah, what non-sense is this calling harimoto's forehand being at an amatuer level, do you guys even know what constitutes amatuer level, its basically us, we are the amateurs, and I'd like to see someone with an amateur forehand take on and get matches off of the top 10 players.
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PythonMonty
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That's not an amateur level forehand. Wouldn't bet my life on it, but I'd wager a beer that Harimoto could beat a US 2500 level amateur using only his forehand. Most sports fans drastically underestimate the difference between pros and amateurs.
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larrytt
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Harimoto's forehand is not his strength, but its quickness, angles, and placement are strengths that compensate for its lack of pure power. In my June 11 blog I wrote about the six main things that make him so good. One of them was the following:
-Larry Hodges |
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mykonos96
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Liu gouliang said that harimoto FH was like a girl FH |
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mykonos96
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Liu talked too about lacking power in his FH |
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Harimoto at age 14
[Liu gouliang said that harimoto FH was like a girl FH Liu talked too about lacking power in his FH] From an important perspective, Liu Guoliang is completely wrong concerning Harimoto's forehand. Harimoto has a powerful forehand for a 14 year old. Since Liu has taken this stand, he should produce a video of more powerful 14 year old forehands. I say this: Just wait until Harimoto gets really old, like age 17, then we will see what we will see. It is important to remember that Liu did not spend long years professionally developing very young players. He was, due to political strength, vaulted quickly to the coaching stratosphere. Among the great Chinese coaches that have the young player developmental background, you will not find Liu confirmation. Also, it is known that Liu, socially, strongly favors the "traditional" roles for women (or "girls"). This was evident from a number of sources, including in the absence of women coaches at the highest level of the Chinese table tennis team system. Men, men, men. This attitude is decidedly not in compliance with the Chinese national leadership. It is instructive that happily now, in this table tennis structure, women are found where they were not before. Thanks. |
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tom
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it is what it is, get over the age thing, not talking about potential, just the current status
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8/2018 – General List – Men Ranking Previous Name Assoc. Ranking Pts. 1 1 FAN Zhendong CHN 17001 2 5 XU Xin CHN 15385 3 2 BOLL Timo GER 15205 4 3 LIN Gaoyuan CHN 15189 5 4 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij GER 14915 6 8 HARIMOTO Tomokazu JPN 13584 7 6 MA Long CHN 1350 8 7 LEE Sangsu KOR 13374 9 10 CALDERANO Hugo BRA 13355 10 9 WONG Chun Ting HKG 12969 |
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Can you point who says that liu is wrong?. So he or you must be a better coach to prove liu is wrong. I dont see haromito scoring with his forehand check the natch against filus ruwen Post a match where you can back your argument that liu is wrong regarding harimoto FH |
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larrytt
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Harimoto scored lots of points with his quick, angled forehand in his win over Ma Long, and in similar matches. Ma could have played more to Harimoto's forehand, but instead went mostly crosscourt to Harimoto's backhand since any shot to Harimoto's forehand would have been met with that quick forehand. It's not as powerful as Ma's or Fan's, but quite effective. Otherwise, Ma and everyone else would simply play to Harimoto's forehand - but that simply doesn't work unless it's a very strong attack or they get Harimoto out of position first. And as people keep noting, he's still basically a kid who just turned 15 and will gain power as he gets older. The question is not whether he has as much power as, say, Ma or Fan, but whether he has comparable power for the best players his age. It would be pretty stupid tactics for him to go up against Ma or Fan and try to match them forehand power to power, so he does what he does better than they do, and so focuses on quickness and angles. -Larry Hodges
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I mean he doesn't have the strongest forehand but definitely not amateur his forehand is pro level. Like Larry Hodges said his forehand is really quick and his angles are very good and it makes sense not everyone is textbook. But I notice other then him having a really quick forehand he really gets the ball right of the bounce so its like a onslaught of quick shots.
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if quick shots instead of power shots are future, soon woman will start beating man? They are smaller(less mass to move) and already adopted quick shots style.
Liu Shiwen vs Harimoto, what you think? Mima Ito vs Ma Long?
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His forehand looked more powerful and "adult-like" in his last tournament.
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I would love to see both thoae matches. |
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I dont think harimoto can beat ma long again |
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Come on guys he's just a 15 yr old kid....even Fan Zhendong at 16 had power issues...and look where he is now!
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good point
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mykonos96
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Fan was faster at 16 harimoto plays flatfooted |
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larrytt
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Harimoto is not flatfooted. Here's video of him vs. Fan Zhendong. Watch both of their feet - they are constantly in motion, the opposite of flatfooted. The difference you may be thinking of is more about style - Harimoto has one of the best backhands in the world and so tends to play a more backhand-oriented game, while Fan has one of the best forehands in the world and so plays a more forehand-oriented game. -Larry Hodges
Edited by larrytt - 08/15/2018 at 1:56pm |
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Larry, you may want to save your energy. Mykonos96 has come out of nowhere and made a disproportionate number of ridiculous claims in his short time as a poster here. Just saying...
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Thanks for your input larry its great to know the opinion of someone who really knows the sport unlike some posters that pretend they know about the table tennis and being hostile. Bard romance your opinion means nothing for me Edited by mykonos96 - 08/15/2018 at 3:39pm |
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I never personally go in for all the technique side of Table tennis, simply because what is 'correct' at any given point in time is not later on. The paradox is that without deviations in the mainstream coaching mantra TT would never evolve.
TT evolves in cycles determined by innovation, without that the game would never evolve. If a player, technically can move, play a stroke and recover consistently, they have everything needed to go as far as their devotion will take them. Look at players like kreanga, Schlager, and in his day Waldner, they all bucked the coaching trend of their time. China is a little different, a very technique orientated system that obviously works for them , but they have numbers on their side. European table tennis innovations have determined Chinese Innovations, firstly by the Hungarians, secondly by the Swedes.
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In addition, your technique has to match your body shape and dimensions. Samsonov and FZD would never look similar regardless of who coached them! Also there is more than one way to skin a cat. There is a video of Werner Schlager coaching footwork where he advocates a very efficient way of moving that runs counter to about 99.9% of coaching dogma.
The thing I notice about Harimoto is the quality of his serving and how smart he plays. And still a kid! When he gets stronger he will be even more scary. |
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I think that was where he was showing a kid how to follow through back into position after looping a forehand from the wide forehand. It wasn't so much against coaching dogma as an classic example of high-level technique that isn't common below that level. Most players don't realize that you should adjust your follow-through based on your positioning so as to position yourself better for the next shot. I did a Tip of the Week on this once. -Larry Hodges
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Yes it was, I remember that too.
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Liam Pitchford! he has his own technique, think about that.
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When Harimoto started playing in pro tournaments his forehand was not strong enough to generate much power on his own relative to the older/bigger players so he "borrows" power from the incoming shot and redirects as Larry pointed out. It's more of a counter hit/drive and is optimized more towards low cycle time rather than spin and speed. There is a clear difference between his current stroke technique and that of the ML and FZD. But I think this reflects a different approach by the coaching and player development systems as a lot of the JPN players have that close to the table block and fast counter-attack style, whereas the CN players tend mix in more big drive loops.
I also have a question with regard to the "new style" of play due to the nature of the new ball. What happened in the Australian & Bulgarian open finals? If HT is the way forward and spinning the ball and using big drive FHs is outdated then why did XX pretty much dominate HT and KM? Here is one comparison of stroke styles.
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