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I would use less waist if the rally is too fast near the table but for powershots or opening loops i would still jse waist rotation.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Waist rotation works well if the elbow doesn't fly away to the outside because you don't have a lot of centrifugal force pushing you off balance. 

Watch Gatien.

Of course, this is just part of a coordinated stroke.  if you exaggerate anything it will mess you up.

What constitutes "exaggeration" changes as the game itself changes.  What you might call exaggerated these days might be considered a killer FH back in the 1980s, and a sensible technique to choose and refine.  A massive FH with maximum weight transfer can still be highly coordinated and rock-solid for balance, but leave you locked in position with a difficult path to recovery (although you could call that uncoordinated, depending on what you're choosing for your definition of course).  Not a problem when the shot will 80% likely be a winner, or force the opponent to lob giving you more time.  These days - problem.  I wouldn't call that uncoordinated personally - just a sub-optimal technique decision now that massive FHs come back more often. 

If you were coached back in those days, you may have been told to move your primary leg back to allow for max weight transfer and waist rotation on the FH wing.  That's not what they're coaching now, due to the plastic ball.
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Waist rotation works well if the elbow doesn't fly away to the outside because you don't have a lot of centrifugal force pushing you off balance. 

Watch Gatien.

Of course, this is just part of a coordinated stroke.  if you exaggerate anything it will mess you up.
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Great stuff zeio, as ever.  Many thanks for your efforts.

I attended a training day run by Andrew Rushton a few weeks back and he spent a lot of time emphasizing this.  In the past, we were coached to use as much waist rotation as possible, and to move the right leg (for right handers) waaaay back on FH strokes to allow for maximum weight transfer.

These days, it's counter productive.  The ball comes back far more often and you need to be ready for that - big waist rotation and a perpendicular stance impacts too much on recovery times.  He advocated a more neutral stance at all times on both wings and minimal use of the waist.  

He spent a fair time on bat position in the neutral stance as well to help with fast, close-in counters.

It's hard to break out of habits built up over decades of play...
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This thread is started in response to the thread on Harimoto's FH, for easier reference in the future since Google doesn't seem to index as many Mytt threads as it used to.

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Without further ado, the video of interest:



And a related one to go with it:


Edited by zeio - 09/30/2019 at 11:05am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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