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Hozuki
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Posted: 10/25/2018 at 6:56pm |
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I'm trying to find a blade with -koto outer (or anigre) -medium flexibility -medium hardness -ALL to OFF- speed -no carbon -very good control because my competition blade has long been discontinued and I destroyed my penultimate one recently pls help |
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lineup32
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Have H.M. Levi make you a custom blade. Just add your desired weight and head size to your listed blade requirements and contact member Johnny Erasure; I recently had a Off- blade made by Levi he does great work and reasonably priced.
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Ravil
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I think Xiom Zeta Offensive will work for you. Seven-ply all-wood blade with koto outer. It is a very stable blade, punch and blocks are awesome. Flared handle is good. Should be around 40 euros max.
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king_pong
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You're looking for the Avalox P500 (Koto-Spruce-Ayous...). Some prefer the Nittaku Runlox-5 (basically same blade; slightly different shape). I have both I prefer the P500 as mine has slightly better flex and therefore, it throws the ball better. I would be willing to sell either, as neither is my day to day blade. PM for details |
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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max
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Dream1700
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Fuga has the same composition as P500. I only tested P500 briefly and they play somewhat differently but easy to switch from one another. P500 seems to have a bit more catapult and maybe a notch faster. Fuga's handle (FL) is less comfortable to me than P500 (ST).
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Force Pro Special 7ply
FH: Fastarc C-1 1.4 BH: Tenergy 80 1.7 |
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GrayFox
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andro flaxonite driver
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king_pong
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Hint, the P500 should feel better: the Fuga is made in China, and the P500 is made in Tranås, Sweden, "using special gluing techniques"
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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max
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king_pong
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Hint, the P500 ought to feel better: The Fuga is made in China, while the P500 is made in Tranås, Sweden, "using special gluing techniques"
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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max
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FruitLoop
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Yasaka Extra? |
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yogi_bear
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I have exactly the blade for you - Tibhar Samsonov Pure Carbon
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adishorul
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Have you ever tried nittaku violin?
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DreiZ
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Bty Hadraw VK
5 ply all wood koto outer. Great control, good feel, some flexibility with little vibrations. Definitely OFF-, might be on the fast side for your range though. Excellent blade.
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g
FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
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Dream1700
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do you mean Samsonov Pure Wood?
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Ray
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Or Tibhar Samsonov Carbon?
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Ray
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Why don't you say "Yasaka Sweden Extra"?
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king_pong
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+100, Why didn't anyone(me) suggest this before? Edited by king_pong - 10/28/2018 at 5:41pm |
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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max
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FruitLoop
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I did! |
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Hozuki
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thank you everyone, lots of useful information so far! I don't want to randomly buy blades anymore, so my strategy is to lend some blades from colleagues and also to order a test set. This limits me in possibilities, but at least I can try some stuff beforehand. Blades I can/will test: -Persson Powerplay -Yasaka Sweden Extra -Samsonov FP & FPBE -Clipper -hurricane hao 2 Currently I am testing DHS hurricane hao 2, which is Koto - Spruce - Ayous, as suggested. After one session, I think it is quite good. I like the medium flex and the touch, but seems a bit hard. Have not tested with my regular rubbers yet, but will do so soon. Anybody knows this blade and can tell how it compares to others with same compositions? I would prefer a cheaper blade as I'm unlucky enough to destroy one blade per year. For example, I heard some DHS Power G Blades are essentially lower quality versions of the high end DHS blades. PG-2 has same composition, does it play similar to HH2? I have tested a lot of blades lately, so it might be useful as reference for further recommendations? YEO: Not bouncy enough, too hard PG-9: Good feeling and control, but slightly too fast and stiff (and maybe hard) Tibhar IV-L: Too bouncy, too soft, too stiff Andro Temper Tech OFF-: Too hard and stiff Stiga Offensive Classic: Way too flexible, too bouncy. I also tested many carbon blades, but I found them either too fast or too stiff, except the PG-12 which was actually too flexible, but way too hard. I really appreciate the help.
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Hozuki
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So... I am in the middle of testing. Until now I have mainly been testing the sweden extra, force pro and powerplay. Sweden Extra is very nice close to the table, but being quite soft, thin and flexy, it does not handle higher forces too well, so harder rubbers do not pair well. Very good spin and control with EL-P though. But anyways, the blade is too slow for me. Powerplay is suprisingly high throw and bouncy. The looping arc seems excessively high with high throw rubbers. Definetly needs harder, controlled rubbers. Overall, the blade seems a bit too hard for me though. So far my favorite is the Force Pro Blue. It just has the best balance of hardness and stiffness. Despite having limba outer ply, the touch is not too soft and fine contact looping is perfectly doable. Pairs well with H3N, and I don't have control problems even with it being 41 deg which is usually too hard to control on other blades. I just had problems with BH blocks going too far sometimes, maybe slower rubber on BH would help. Have not really tested Clipper and Force Pro Black, but after some hits with them I guess they would be too soft, too bouncy, and too stiff for me. Also, the HH2 I tested before is a bit too hard, flexy and slow for 40+. Well then, back to testing
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Makelele
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Looking forward to your comparison between Clipper, Tibhar Force Pro Blue and Tibhar Pro Black
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Hozuki
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Sure, here you are Stiffness: Clipper >= Force Black > Force Blue Hardness: Force Blue > Force Black > Clipper Clipper is clearly the softest, and probably the stiffest, but Force Black is almost as or equally stiff. Both Clipper and Force Black are more suited to direct play, block and counter close to the table. Due to their softness, they pair better with medium soft to medium rubbers. Force Black is a bit harder and thinner, more compact and thus works a bit better away from the table. If you want to loop with either of them, use medium rubbers with high arc. Something like bluefire m2 or fastarc c1 works well. Force Blue is more suited for looping than the others. It is thinner and harder. Overall feel is mild hard. This blade is clearly the winner for me. It beats the others in looping department due to better flex while still being stiff enough for any direct play techniques. And it pairs well with soft AND hard rubbers. I have tried H3N 41 deg untuned, which I still was able to control reasonably. Now I use H3 non-neo prov blue sponge 39 deg boosted with seamoon, which pairs very nicely. On backhand I tried many tensor rubbers with 42.5-45 deg, which is not too soft on this blade. However, backhand blocking was too fast. One solution would be to reduce sponge thickness, but instead I have found a perfect match in my favorite underrated rubber, Yinhe Mercury II soft (~42.5 deg). It is fast enough on this blade and spin, arc and control are better than for example R42. I have mainly been practicing with a chopper (switching from LP to SP now), so looping heavy underspin is no problem with this setup (with ABS balls at least) The biggest issue is that I struggle to find a weakness with this blade :P
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Makelele
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Thanks for sharing your info
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Makelele
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After the tests you did afterwards, did you find the Pro Blue less bouncy than Clipper and Pro Black? And how would you compare the three in the speed department? |
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Hozuki
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Yes, Blue is less bouncy than both, especially at low forces but still pretty bouncy overall. Clipper is the slowest, Blue the fastest, but Black overall has the fastest rebound on low to medium impact. It is not so fast when looping but the fastest when driving. I find speed hard to describe here, because it is a combination of the bounce for passive and flat shots plus the flex and hardness that generates power. I gave black with fastarc g1 & c1 to an advanced beginner (2y exp) and he could barely land a counter. when playing flat, active or passive strokes with medium impact, black is easily the fastest. when playing powerloops against backspin or slower balls, blue is the fastest
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frogger
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+2 on the P500 or Runlox-5 (if you can find one). Very good control. Very nice looping blade. Try MXP for more speed or Rozena for a more allround game. |
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Hozuki
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if p500 is similar to HH2 then it would not be so good
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Makelele
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Hozuki
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Hi, I have found my new blade. It's the Persson Powerplay. thx for the input Ok, I won't leave you hanging without providing any reasons. PPP for me has best control overall. While the softer 7plys have more control for passive play, PPP beats all of them in active strokes, ball placement and control over the arc. The koto outer just fits my technique more on FH and makes BH so much better anyways. I have used PPP and FP blue in league games and PPP worked instantly better without any adjustment, because less bounce, better opening loops and much, much better loopkills with closed bat angle. With ABS balls one needs to be comfortable loopkilling low bouncing dead balls, and this blade is just perfect for that. Using chinese rubbers both sides works perfectly. Blade is pretty hard though, so one step up in sponge hardness might be suitable. Cheers
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Go here http://stonitenis.rs/equipmentreviews/bladesearch and enter your preferred values for speed, hardness, stiffness...and click search, you get list of blades according to your wish. By clicking on blade, you can see it composition(if known) and also other blades with this same composition.
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