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Makelele
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Blahness, do you know of any video showing it explicitly for forehand, like the TTR Hunter one does for backhand?
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Ieyasu
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blahness
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Hi Makelele, I've recorded some segments away from the table just in my room which should show it quite clear! Just need to figure out the Youtube thing...haven't done it in ages! But if you follow the diagrams I've posted, for FH it should be pronation + radial/ulnar plane wrist movement, and you'll get it. There's always a certain amount of flexion/extension but they shouldn't be the main component of your stroke. Edited by blahness - 02/20/2019 at 12:46am |
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NextLevel
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Fixed.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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mickd
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I know NL has always advocated circular strokes, but up until now I've always been more of a "straight line" strokes type of guy. I think I'm starting to favor circular strokes too, at least for the backhand. Yesterday when coaching one of my students, I started to use a circular analogy. Maybe your light preaching is starting to wear off on me haha. Watching that LHTT video was also very insightful too. Thanks.
This supination thread has really gotten me thinking in a completely different way, so thank you blahness for bringing it up.
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blahness
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Here is a playlist of me shadowing the various movements discussed in this thread as promised! Hope it helps!
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NextLevel
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The forehand is a large circle for most people even if they don't think that way . In general, circular for spin, line for speed. And you can find a balance in between.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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zeio
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To be pnachtwey-precise, the proper term should be curvilinear. Strictly speaking, most if not all strokes in TT involve a combination of translation and rotation.
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Ideally linear in the direction of translation and curvilinear around the axis of spin. This gives the best chance of making good contact (unless you have perfect timing in which case almost anything should work).
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Tinykin
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This is an excellent thread. Well done to all posters
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Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
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blahness
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Yes.... I've also added a slight pronation action to my BH push and it resulted in a significant increase in spin too! If you time it well it can be a very small movement, and you can adjust the pronation timing to create a fake push (push with no spin!)
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blahness
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For me somehow the understanding of pronation and supination has helped me time it much better. In general you always want solid contact, so in my mind it's always very important to achieve solid contact before pronating/supination through the ball.
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mickd
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Thank you! You separated them very nicely. Very easy to see. I'm still not a huge fan of the forehand one, but the backhand one just looks and feels right. Maybe in time haha. I watched a Chinese Stiga video last night and the lady in the video did have like a supination like movement as she tightened her grip during contact. It doesn't look as obvious as the backhand when she's hitting the ball, but when she was demonstrating slowly, she mentioned it.
Thank you. I'm going to have to meditate on it a little more. I feel like I'm getting there with the forehand too, but not quite seeing it clearly yet!
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blahness
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Glad it made it clear for you! It was kinda awkward recording the FH ones because to keep the camera steady you can't have body rotation lol... For FH the pronation is definitely even less visible but if you examine the actions of top players like Fan Zhendong it's definitely there. It's actually in Chinese table tennis literature, the term is 手臂内旋(pronation) and 手臂外旋(supination), just that I never understood that term and always skipped past it :(
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Tinykin
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Say a player attempts a BH push, the type where he/she 'scoops' the ball. It appears to be the opposite of supination but not pronation. What is that wrist movement called?
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Blade:
Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
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blahness
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It is pronation except the ball is on the other side of the bat!
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Tinykin
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OK, cheers
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Blade:
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mickd
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I've been watching random TT videos again, and this is one I've seen before, but it demonstrates supination.
Thought I'd just leave it here for anyone who might want to see :)
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ma_t14
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Hi, I'm really sorry for resurrecting this old (but gold) thread. Do you by any chance still have these videos? Links appear to be broken
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