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 Topic: Controversial finish to Austrian Bundesliga SeasonPosted: 08/24/2019 at 10:50am |
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No, this was the Austrian national league, and OTTV is of course the Austrian table tennis association. They decide how the league operates - basically using ITTF rules, surely, but it's not under the authority of ITTF.
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All fine an well between friends but your club has the audacity to permit an open where a player from a different club who travelled to play left after you all suggested actually we know the rules and just don't care! Come on now cannot serve clean? The rule has been in place longer than I have played table tennis, they have had a lot of time to adapt and just are bad at service. Now they have no insentive to improve as everyone accepts that the rules are non important at an OPEN
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Posted: 08/23/2019 at 9:20pm |
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May we know what is this OTTV appeal court ?
Whichever, will the ITTF concur with this ruling or will the ITTF have to submit to this ruling and if so, will it now further define the functions of tournament referees ? Assuming this was an ITTF sanctioned event.
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Posted: 08/23/2019 at 6:40pm |
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Some of them simply can´t serve clean, it´s like a vicious motion they carry from late 90´s. And since we all know each other, we decided now to allow everything about services. The issue happened when we made an open and with a unknown player from a distant club.
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Posted: 08/23/2019 at 6:19pm |
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Why don't they just agree not to use hidden serves?
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Posted: 08/23/2019 at 2:48pm |
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In local tournaments we had an issue in the past, a player simply abandoned the match after complaining about his opponent´s serve twice.
Now, before the match players usually agree with no service rule, because most of them still serve hidden serves. |
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Posted: 08/23/2019 at 10:29am |
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Last week the ÖTTV appeals court ruled that the referee was not allowed to overrule the umpire's decision about the legality of the final serve of the match, and that the protest was justified. As a result, Stockerau was declared Austrian champion:
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'Does that include the determination whether a serve is legal or illegal - or just disciplinary issues? In the Austrian case it seems that the referee intervened quite early, before the situation was out of control. The video doesn't show the whole match though.' - amateur
From the reading of the wordings in 17.4.3, I would think so but can anyone who knows provide a definite answer. Thanks
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Posted: 06/12/2019 at 9:31am |
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Does that include the determination whether a serve is legal or illegal - or just disciplinary issues? In the Austrian case it seems that the referee intervened quite early, before the situation was out of control. The video doesn't show the whole match though.
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' So it seems the protest was dismissed simply because it was filed too late.
And the main grounds for protest would be the fact that the referee (outside of the box) intervened several times and overruled the umpire as to the legality of the serve. ' - amateur Unfortunate that it was filed too late. But I thought the protest or appeal would have failed if it was considered if it was based on the 'grounds that the referee had intervened several times and overruled the umpire ....... '. Handbook for Match Officials - 15th edition 2014 17.4.3 - Responsibility of the Referee - " ........ By watching the match the referee may find that the umpire is no longer in control of play and in this situation he or she should take action on his or her own initiative, either by telling the umpire what he or she must do or by dealing directly with the offending player. " unless there has been a change, ....... |
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So it seems the protest was dismissed simply because it was filed too late. And the main grounds for protest would be the fact that the referee (outside of the box) intervened several times and overruled the umpire as to the legality of the serve.
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Posted: 06/08/2019 at 9:22am |
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Google translation: "The Bundesliga committee of the Austrian table tennis Bundesliga treated on Tuesday evening the objection of the SG Stockerau after the lost final of Sunday, 26. May. The protest was not granted, whereby the SPG Linz was confirmed as the champion in 2019. Stockerau has, after transmission of the judgment, beginning of next week, still the possibility in the last instance, the court of appeal of the ÖTTV, to go."
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Posted: 06/08/2019 at 5:51am |
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From the screen shots above, that serve looks pretty darn illegal. If you have to cheat to win, you didn't actually win. Also, could you even continue after that guy jumped up and down on the table? I don't think that would be too good for the table top or the legs of the table. It looked like the table legs may have even been warped after he did that. That table was flexing pretty hard when he was jumping up and down on it. That's just ridiculous in my opinion. No one should ever do that.
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'The protest was dismissed and the result stands. Stockerau can still file an appeal against this decision.' - amatuer.
Would you know to which authority he appealed to and what he appealed against, what were the grounds of his appeal. Thanks
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The protest was dismissed and the result stands. Stockerau can still file an appeal against this decision.
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Posted: 06/02/2019 at 6:40pm |
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the lefty in blue has similar service to par gerell.
just as tabletennisdaily introduced their videos "par gerell serving master class"
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Posted: 05/29/2019 at 11:32pm |
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Two consecutive serves both at point of contact, the first at 8-10 not called, the second at 9-10 called illegal. Notice any differences?   |
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Great last serve
I found it strange that the assistant umpire called many of the faults when the left-hander had his back to him, even when the official umpire saw nothing wrong and awarded a point but then was overruled by the assistant and the referee was behind the server so what could he see
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Posted: 05/29/2019 at 6:16pm |
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It actually would be beneficial to the sport to see a little bit of fire and flair. It's not a shame. Meek reactions don't really go too far in terms of getting attention. |
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Posted: 05/29/2019 at 5:38pm |
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More than 10k on the video of just the final point. Trust me, I know what the man on the street likes to watch and this is it. It will go viral.
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Posted: 05/29/2019 at 4:49pm |
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Blue shirt was way too argumentative right from the second game. He continued arguing later on, which is enough to get yellow carded. In my view the referee was way too lenient. The red card could have come up much sooner. That kind of behavior is unacceptable.
Ma Long did not get the benefit of a warning in his game against Pitchford, which he lost later on. And as far as that bitch who took points from Ding Ning during her previous Olimpic game, well, she was just a bitch.
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Almost 2000 views already, the whole world is talking about it  BTW, the controversy begins at 8-8 in game 2. Player in red complains about his opponent's services. The referee seems to be already watching from outside the box. The next point the referee intervenes to fault a service which was actually a let, and the umpire awards the point to the player in red. Was that a proper decision for a let serve? [EDIT: yes, I suppose it was; as soon as something about the service is illegal, it doesn't matter whether the ball touches the net or not] Edited by amateur - 05/29/2019 at 1:28pm |
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You might be confusing some people here. There were 3 officials involved. The Umpire, was seated on the high stool, and the assistant umpire who controlled the scoreboard. They were both in the court. The 3rd was the referee who was outside the court and issued the red card at the end.
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Posted: 05/29/2019 at 12:58pm |
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Stockerau (the blue team) has filed a protest against the decision.
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With the blue player's repeated service infractions, the umpire was entirely justified in penalising him at 10:9 - either for a service fault or because his behaviour was "detrimental to the sport" (see 2.17.2.2 referenced above). What impresses me is the umpire's willingness to stick to his guns, regardless of the stage of the match. Calling illegal serves is never trivial, but the umpires (both of them) worked hard to remain impartial and fair. The failure of the blue player to modify his serve is not the umpire's concern. If more umpire's did their job as these ones did then the game would be in a much better place than it currently is.
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Good discussion. I would add that in addition to not celebrate too early, do not ever celebrate like that. Ever. It demeans ones self and is the behavior of a 2 year old.
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A difficult match to umpire.
High pressured, I am sure. Despite being penalised points, the blue player had continued with his hidden serves right up to the last point played during fifth game with score 10 : 9 in his favour. He then served and the red shirt player was not able to return the serve and the umpire had also accorded the point and match to the blue shirt. Unfortunately for him, his opponent was already appealing to the referee who then overruled the umpire. At this point, as I understand it, the score would have been 10 : 10. When the commotion erupted and did not end, the referee then instructed the umpire to penalise the blue shirt player with a yellow/red card warning.........which was how the score ended....at 10 : 11 in favour of the red shirt player. Had the blue shirt player accepted the decisions of the referee, he would then be serving at 10 : 11. Alas, things did not turn out according to the script when the referee showed the blue player the red card. Worth noting that the red shirt player had repeatedly complained about his opponent's serves and even at the very end, he had immediately pointed to where the referee must have been standing; ie behind the blue shirt watching his serve. Was it the referee calling for a stop or halt at that point ? Definitely, a difficult match to umpire with the emos flying. My conclusion : there was no controversy. Do not really understand the reason for the referee to red card the blue played at that point. could have cooled down the temperature in the room but that was his decision. And never celebrate too early...... before the win was declared. |
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The guy in black should watch this: https://youtu.be/RIcmLLL5FLI maybe he could learn some even worse illegal serves...
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ttopy over at TTD counted and apparently black was faulted 8 (!) times for his serve during the match.
Seems that there was a more senior umpire stationed behind the server, hence why the point was overturned. Reckon this video will go viral, which is kind of a shame for table tennis...
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