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hunkeelin
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h3 is trash. Buy a sheet of joola or stay safe and play t05. it will save you money.
Reasons: - The same sheet of h3 plays differently the first day as compare to 3 weeks later. - The same sheet of h3 boosted play different after weeks. - Bubbles - different weight with different h3. It's call h3 but it's actually a whole line of rubbers. At the end of the day i stick with tenergy/euro rubbers. Every six month i change rubber and i put on the weight and it's only +/- 1g exact. I feel like i never change rubber and keep improving my skill than wasting my time boosting, regluing, thinking about whether the boosting effect still lingers cause i miss the shot. I've been through this road, trust me. My biggest skill jump is when i ditch that cancer of a rubber. |
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DreiZ
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I started with tenergy (like an idiot) on a slow 5 ply all wood, tried hurricane many times before and now I think it suits me best in fh. My strokes are long due to my height and soft euro rubber just doesn’t work for me on fh. For bh any med euro/jap rubber with good control such as rozena or aurus select works for me well.
To each their own. Gotta say, a properly boosted h3 neo is the bees knees on any off all-wood blade.
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chop4ever
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Agreed I use H3 for the whole life. I've also found difficult to use other rubbers. And I can't use crap H3s either.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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chop4ever
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This is the matter of taste. And it must accompany with the blade and style. For example, someone uses Viscaria, play close to the table, hit hard. He should use thick layer of glue + booster. Vice versa, a thin 5 flies blade doesn't need that thickness. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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fmarek
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Well said. I have live example. My friend keep changing his setup so often trying to find that perfectly fit one (wood, then carbon, tacky Chinese, esn, again tacky Chinese, polishing and modifying handle, complaining about balls and etc.) while stokes are not perfect and footwork is none.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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racquetsforsale
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I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying something new, unless his livelihood or ego was in the way. Changes to one's setup can often reveal limitations/flaws in one's strokes and/or errors in one's conceptual understanding of stroke mechanics.
However, aside from an unusually bad pairing of blade and rubber, bad glue job, or an out of spec sample of the rubber, the very first recourse to the rubber "not playing well" shouldn't be to find out what "better" glue or booster to use and how better to use them. Instead, examine yourself first. Try new things and if they don't work out, make the effort to understand why. Equipment availability, quality, cost, and durability aside, it often comes down to: 1. I can't make it work because I just don't have the coordination. 2. I can make it work but it requires too much physical effort/fitness. 3. I can make it work but I don't want to spend the time to modify my strokes at his point. 4. I can't make it work because I don't understand how.
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taczkid
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IN MY OPINION THE ONLY PLAYERS WHO SHOULD USE HURRICANE ARE THOSE WHO STARTED WITH IT AS A KID, OR PLAYED MOST OF THEIR LIFE. MOST ASIAN PLAYERS WOULD FALL HERE. IF YOU SIMPLY PLAYED MOST OF YOUR LIFE OR SINCE YOU WERE A KID WITH EURO/JAP TYPE RUBBERS YOU SHOULD JUST STICK TO THEM. THERE IS A REASON WHY NONE OF THE TOP EUROPEAN PLAYERS USE HURRICANE, AS THEY KNOW THEY SIMPLY CANT PLAY WELL WITH IT.. MANY TRIED AND FAILED. SO WHY WASTE TIME, JUST STICK WITH NORMALL RUBBERS YOU LIKE, DONT TRY TO FORCE CHINESE RUBBER AND RE-LEARN EVERYTHING...
I HAVE BEEN PLAYING PAST 20 YEARS AND I DID TRY FEW TIMES MANY VARIATIONS OF HURRICANE, I WAS NEVER AS SUCCESFULL AS WITH WHAT I AM USED TO (TENERGY MXP ETC). TO PLAY WITH HURRICANE YOU SIMPLY NEED TO BE BORN WITH IT, AND TRAIN WITH IT SINCE A KID. THAT BEING SAID NEW YOUNG TT PLAYERS THAT GET INTO TT COULD EASILLY START WITH H3 COMMERCIAL AND BE GREAT WITH IT. |
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fmarek
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Can you explain the importance of proper gluing? Some people use multi-layer of glue to get more springiness out of setup. Booster also adds to the speed. What is the recommended way to glue boosted H3? Would you use both - boosting and thick glue or only one of these?
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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chop4ever
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And the right blade. Booster is vitally important, yet not everything. Right booster brings speed and springiness to H3. Bad booster make it mushier and more fragile.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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chop4ever
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2600 is higher than average in USA but is nothing from the young prov kids in a Chinese province. That's his personal choice as he is rich and his dreaming to be nat A team player.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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bars
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if u cant hit unboosted h3 its an issue with contact and timing
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ttforlife
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Many of the ex provincial players that coach and play in the US use provincial NEO blue sponge. Jishan Liang ~2600 uses National NEO blue sponge whenever he plays tournaments, although supposedly he gets his rubbers from contacts in the Chinese National Team..
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fmarek
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How often they are choosing rubbers before packaging?
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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chop4ever
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Non of them use H3 neo. For the original H3, coach could choose freely before the packaging and they are much much cheaper than the market price.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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fmarek
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I'd like to see that process :) Coach takes bunch of new rubbers, unpacks, peels off film, examines them somehow, pics the best one and returns rest of the bunch back without protective films and in opened package. Hm.. there must be some other way how they do it ..
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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chop4ever
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As long as you use that one, you will find out its consistency and durability are so different from the others, even "NT or Prov" versions. However, the original version (non-neo) is the best, as I only use the original one (and suggest to my students to use) The secret is, non of actual pro Chinese players use the rubbers you could buy from the market, with the label "pro" and "NT". The learning players (but their level is higher than everyone here) use "normal" H3 The provincial team players (their ranking is around 100 of the world ranking) use "normal" H3 The NT B team players use "normal" H3 sometimes. So why the * a so low player on Earth is seeking for NT H3??? The main difference from the H3 using by Chinese players is, it has been chosen carefully by the coach among real H3 sheets. There is nothing about booster. But wrong booster will cause worse result. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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ericd937
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The H3 Neo I received from him was sealed in original packaging. Just a commercial sheet as far as I could tell.
Edited by ericd937 - 11/17/2019 at 3:34pm |
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fmarek
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It is not so clear. I was actually waiting for the outcome of this experiment which looks like to be successful and proved something. But I am still in the dark what products were posted. My guess it was either something boosted by chop4ever or not yet boosted but with advice to boost using Reviver Phoenix. Is that right?
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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chop4ever
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There is no secret. Everything is clear as under the Sun but no-one believe on it.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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ericd937
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I opened up one of the H3 Neo rubbers that you (Chop4ever) sent me. I can't put my finger on it, but it is a little bit different than the H3 Neo commercial I purchased in Vietnam. I tried it unboosted and the one you gave me was a bit faster than the one I purchased from the shop here. I played it that way for a couple of weeks, tried it on a couple different blades. After 2 weeks, I put one medium thickness application of Reviver Phoenix on it and now its really good. It took a look less time to break in and a lot less booster to get it playing good than the commercial sheet I purchased here in Vietnam. Why is it so much different and whats the secret?
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Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
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chop4ever
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It is the taste difference. For me, H2 and H3 are the same level of use.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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tom
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Edited by tom - 10/11/2019 at 9:59am |
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ericd937
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So, I briefly tested the secondhand sheet of H2 from Chop4ever. I did give it a small retune with Reviver Phoenix before putting it on. I tried it on Xiom Zetro Quad with H3 Provincial #20 orange sponge on the other side (39 Degrees). My initial impression is that in comparison, H2 was much slower and maybe a little bit spinnier than the rubber on the other side. I did notice the serves with H2 were quite loaded with spin. In play, the H2 felt a lot less lively that any of the H3 variants I've been playing recently. I will test it a bit more. I was also surprised that the H3 Provincial felt really lively, crisp and direct on Zetro Quad, much better than it felt on the other blades I've tried it on.
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Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
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tom
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Edited by tom - 10/06/2019 at 12:56pm |
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fmarek
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That makes sense. I will feel sorry for Ericd if he swaps boosted neo to plain h3 right now.
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chop4ever
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Give it an ALC blade to try. Hardness is relative. That scale is consistent but couldn't compare to DHS scale.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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tom
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fmarek
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I am sure he is smart enough to leave this setup as is and for trying out new stuff - glue it on another blade.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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fmarek
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Dont change before current worns out. Just dont waste efforts you already put in.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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