Serve from FH corner

Depends on how well you open with your BH.  See Ovtcharov.

Edited by Baal - 09/12/2019 at 6:23am

Edited by wilkinru - 09/11/2019 at 7:38pm

blahness wrote: I tried it out and I think I understand where it shines now. It's really deadly against ppl who don't have a good FH receive since the wide angle short FH serve really forces them to use the FH receive unless they're willing to expose the deep BH. Also the fast long deep sidespin serves to the FH corner have a He Zhi Wen effect that they pull the opponent wide and force them to run to the FH to loop, which also exposes the deep BH for the next shot. You will get a lot of deep BH balls on the receive so it's perfect for following it up with a strong BH opening loop. Also it reduces the short FH liability since you are closer to the ball, I've even used the chiquita very smoothly from the FH corner following a short receive into my FH short side. It's very hard for the opponent to keep the ball short to the BH side because of the short distance and awkward blade angle, so it's someth ing  you don't need to worry much. Now that I think about it, the serve from the backhand corner was always the most effective against FH oriented players since they have to pivot to use their favoured FH receive and then it opens up their deep FH corner for attack. And with a sidetopspin serve, it is close to impossible to push it well with the BH so if you invite a weak BH flick it starts the BH diagonal rally which could be to your advantage if you have a better BH.  I think, my plan now is to serve from the FH corner against ppl with very good BH receive, and from the BH corner against ppl with very good FH receive.

Good job. I will try some of your thougts next training session. thanks

I tried it out and I think I understand where it shines now. It's really deadly against ppl who don't have a good FH receive since the wide angle short FH serve really forces them to use the FH receive unless they're willing to expose the deep BH. Also the fast long deep sidespin serves to the FH corner have a He Zhi Wen effect that they pull the opponent wide and force them to run to the FH to loop, which also exposes the deep BH for the next shot. You will get a lot of deep BH balls on the receive so it's perfect for following it up with a strong BH opening loop. Also it reduces the short FH liability since you are closer to the ball, I've even used the chiquita very smoothly from the FH corner following a short receive into my FH short side. It's very hard for the opponent to keep the ball short to the BH side because of the short distance and awkward blade angle, so it's someth ing  you don't need to worry much.

NextLevel wrote: stiltt wrote: I find it valid but useless from the following perspective:  From the bh corner only, we can go short, semi long (double bounce with the 2nd close to the end line) or long. We can do that in the direction of their fh, bh or elbow. We can apply topspin, underspin or no spin. That’s 27 serves already. All those serves can be done with 2 different rubbers but I’m stretching it if I go to 54 on that one. Then there is tomahawk, pendulum, reverse pendulum... Point is from The bh corner, there are enough possibilities to serve the element of surprise and building a whole other framework from the fh corner seems like a huge undertaking and the time to do that could better serve the existing position. Of course there is room for certain players to make it valid if they want to bh topspin the 3rd ball but that’s a niche playing style protecting a fh that’s less trusted than the bh.  Something I never worked on too much are Ding Ning, Kenta and Dima’s tomahawk from the middle they make  more sense to be ready quicker and to have one base from which all bh and fh serves can happen. The argument is clearly parochial.  Lefties (and righties like Ovtcharov or Pitchford or Primorac) serve from there all the time and get return they like.  One could argue that in fact, if you are serving mostly into the short forehand, you are protecting the backhand and exposing the wide forehand.  So the real issue is what you are trying to do with your serve, which is clearly not about imagining what is good and bad about the serve, but about doing whatever you think makes sense for your game.  I suspect that a good high level player could make a living out of implementing this serve strategy consistently (even more than Dima does) as long as he is willing to master playing behind it from early in his career like Dima did.

stiltt wrote: I find it valid but useless from the following perspective:  From the bh corner only, we can go short, semi long (double bounce with the 2nd close to the end line) or long. We can do that in the direction of their fh, bh or elbow. We can apply topspin, underspin or no spin. That’s 27 serves already. All those serves can be done with 2 different rubbers but I’m stretching it if I go to 54 on that one. Then there is tomahawk, pendulum, reverse pendulum... Point is from The bh corner, there are enough possibilities to serve the element of surprise and building a whole other framework from the fh corner seems like a huge undertaking and the time to do that could better serve the existing position. Of course there is room for certain players to make it valid if they want to bh topspin the 3rd ball but that’s a niche playing style protecting a fh that’s less trusted than the bh.  Something I never worked on too much are Ding Ning, Kenta and Dima’s tomahawk from the middle they make  more sense to be ready quicker and to have one base from which all bh and fh serves can happen.

I find it valid but useless from the following perspective: 

Perfectly normal for lefties ...