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GabrielTopspin
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Posted: 12/04/2019 at 8:17am |
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Hello i practise for example falkenberg 10 minutes and than we switch and my partner does the same drill. how long should drills always be to improve myself before you switch and let your partner do his drills and than after that do a other drill, too long could be counterproductive and too short could not bring something i hope you could help me very hard drills i do for 10 minutes, and some easier drills i do for 15 minutes,
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Baal
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What you are doing is reasonable. It is also consistent with what I have seen elite players do. It depends a bit on how long you can concentrate your mind on the drill and also of course your fitness and any injuries you may have. I once got some elbow pain by working on hird ball backhand loop off pushed serve return for an hour straight.
It is important to do lots of work where you have to move to get to the ball. Edited by Baal - 12/06/2019 at 5:15am |
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Simon_plays
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I would say that even 10 minutes is a bit long, I always set my timer to 7 minutes and then try to really concentrate on maintaining high effort for that time.
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Shifu
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The usual duration which is taught for exercises in Germany is 6-8 minutes.
I’d rather use the time to progress with the difficulty of the exercise. Like going from regular to irregular.
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stiltt
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If an hour is what is available, 5 minutes each per drill gives 6 of them which is not much, and that's assuming there is no waste in between them. I always found the 5 min mark ideal. That was the balance with all the people I used to coach in my basement of today and garage before at my old house. One day we switched to 1.5 hour per session as a test and we never went back because they all agreed it was better and they did not mind to go form $40 to $60 per session, it was giving us time to talk too, the pressure was less intense and they did not have the feeling to stop when they are just getting warmed up; we kept the 5 min length per drill.
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Tt Gold
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There is no specific time limit. It depends on the exercise. If you’re playing an exercise that is very physically demanding, then you should go for less minutes. But generally it depends on how well you play the exercise. If you are not getting into a rhythm within a 5 minute time period, then it doesn’t make sense to quit at 5. But if you get into a rhythm after 3 minutes and lose that rhythm after the 7 minute mark, then you probably shouldn’t continue to play until you reach 10 minutes. You should also adjust the difficulty of the exercise if it’s too easy. If you play: serve and loop from your backhand, and you hit the open up every time within the 10-20 balls, then you should change the exercise to something more irregular like serve and open up from backhand or middle.
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APW46
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This is why pro players are pro, and the rest of us are not. If you are young enough to get on a full time coaching program where drilling at the level that you need to be a pro is attainable, then you get to a high level, through available time, and the recources available ( good players to practice with)
If not, it comes down to your personal level of dedication, how far you can commit yourself to the dedicated regime of drilling. Drilling is counter efficient if you can't put the time in, and you are better off just learning how to win in your level. The worst thing for me, is when I see coaches taking money off people because they are inflicting Pro style regimes that are never going to improve a player because the player can never put the hours in that will gain any benefit. This is why there are countless players out there who look the part, walk the walk, but are so inconsistent that they cant understand why they reach a level but dont get any better.
Edited by APW46 - 12/07/2019 at 1:58pm |
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Baal
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And then they get hurt.
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Simon_plays
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What's the best way to learn winning at ones own level? And does this mean that players can reach a certain level but because of their inconsistency they win relatively few high pressure matches and tournament?
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APW46
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learn how to win with the tools at your disposal, in other words know your game and learn how to play the 'chess' side of table tennis with ball placement and consistency. Players don't win high pressure matches and tournaments because they are playing players better than themselves but not necesserily more dynamic.
Edited by APW46 - 12/08/2019 at 8:10am |
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Baal
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videotape several of your matches and identify really dumb stuff you do repeatedly and then stop doing it.
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APW46
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Concise and true. The best players in all levels of play, know their limitations and learn how to win. Having lots of impressive strokes and serves and copying top players does not teach a player how to win.
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lineup32
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The question one should ask themselves about any drill is: creating muscle memory of the component. Another way of thinking about this idea is similar to Ballet dancers who spend considerable time learning specific movements before combining them into a dance. They don't start off learning a dance routine rather the routine is a series of learned movements. Club TT Players don't need a practice partner, coach or robot to practice the components of the falkenberg rather repeating some component of the drill a few minutes daily either at a TT table or at home in front of a mirror builds muscle memory faster then spending long periods practicing the entire drill routine.
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Baal
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Drills can help because it is possible to improve some technical flaws. Especially getting more consistent at making shots while moving. But it takes a really focused mindset and the right practice partner. My guess is the OP has that. It was an insightful question.
Still, as APW says, learning to win is more important and highly neglected..
Edited by Baal - 12/10/2019 at 7:56pm |
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