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YoAss
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I use two very similar custom-built blades, identical in head size. Rubbers are easily swapped, and I usually have both available and sometimes prefer one over the other, in "extreme" playing venues -- very slow tables/floor versus fast tables/floor, I'll prefer the slightly flexier/thinner/lighter one on the former and the slightly stiffer/thicker/heavier on the latter. Probably more to boost confidence than an actually significant real-world difference.
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bokai
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I believe what you experience is a mental feeling about your blade hehehe :).
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ProtossTT
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He isn't lying completely per se
Depending on the flooring of the Venue or facility the ball bounces a bit different. Rubber flooring is optimal with a professionally installed one Laminated wood floor is doable not bad for sure Rubber flooring above wood blocks is subpar and is like so so I hate these kinds of flooring Concrete or hard tile flooring has a different rebound of the ball as it's very hard. Alot of high level players told me the same thing.
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YoAss
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The rebound is very different on different venues. I do not hesitate in calling this a factual observation.
In "gyms", with rubber floors over concrete, the bounce is lower and less deeper. Those of us used to playing in faster venues, with more of a bounce and more followthrough, need quite a while to adapt to that. Basic movement patterns need some tweaking, to stay a bit closer to the table. This matters a lot when counterspinning, or opening up on deep pushes — or playing a chopper. Typical symptoms are missing ball contact entirely. Playing with different equipment may or may not be working because of a placebo effect. If it's that, all hail the placebo!
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bokai
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I certainly agree that playing at different venues is needs readjustment. However, changing the blade for the venue is a bit over isn't it? The person that holds their blade is the master of it and thus controls it as an extension of their hand. That person will have to readjust to the playing conditions because the bat won't do it for you.
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Fulanodetal
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I have 2 identical, and a 3rd one with a slightly different setup for ej-ing. I rotate through regularly to keep the same amount of usage on the rubbers. Rubbers feel different if one setup has brand new rubbers!
All three are Viscarias. They do feel slightly different, but similar enough that readjusting is a breeze. FdT |
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anongpong
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I always got at least two blades now. One which is a 5 ply all wood which I use most of the time. Then I got a very fast blade and rubbers for people that have a lot of firepower and I need to pressure them more.
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Ej still looking for his perfect setup...
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bokai
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You have 2 different blades depending on opponent? :O
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icontek
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Pressure them more? Do you mean placement blocking against attacks?
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anongpong
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Hey Icontek!
Well. I play a lot of very spin oriented players and players with pips. So, I found that I need more control against them because I'm not fundamentally sound yet and I don't read the ball all that well. When I play someone with a lot of speed and a more orthodox style they can really take advantage of my slower controlled game. So, I use a faster setup where my attacks are faster and my blocks are faster so that they can't always easily counter drive. I lack in control some, but then again they play pretty straight forward besides serves. Ideally I'd be playing with my faster setup always. |
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Ej still looking for his perfect setup...
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alas
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I have two very similar set ups but I train and play with only one. The second one is purely a backup.
It’s convenient when experimenting with new rubbers to have the same blade (@same weight) for direct comparisons.
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bokai
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Agreed. However, even tho they could be same weight. Other things could vary such as dimensions of blade and age of wood. The other thing that is definitely a negative is wallet becomes lighter after experimenting new rubbers! xD
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alas
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Oh, I don’t doubt that at all!
Actually the only reason I have two exact set-ups is because I split the head of one and ordered a new one. Then, later on down the line I repaired it myself. There are definitely differences between my two blades, but they still were a good basis for finding the rubbers I really like for my game. So, my repaired blade is my back up for the time being.
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Baal
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This why you should use only one setup, and maybe the slower one. Your brain knows what to expect from the one setup and only has to figure out what the spin, speed and trajectory of the next ball from your opponent. It reduces the number of things you need to account for. Any blade you use will have enough power as your technique improves. If you doubt this advice, go find some books and articles on motor learning in sports and human performance.
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bokai
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Looks like I will definitely be sticking to one bat with another one for spare :D
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Baal
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Actually a lot of people who are just getting serious have the idea that they should have different setups for different opponents. I've seen a lot of people try it maybe because by a certain logic it sort of makes sense. After all, it works in golf. In our sport, though, a experience has shown that it just delays your improvement. Hopefully this will save you some struggles later on.
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Nah, buy 'em all like catching Pokémon and wear them like disposable fashion !!!
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For a serious tourney player, it makes sense to have a backup of a same blade and rubbers, even if it is slightly different.
For the rest of the population, it makes sense to have another bat handy in case something happens to main bat. 50 different variants are not really needed, but what the heck, one might get an upgraded status where they play if they are EJ toting jokers. |
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Leftstudio
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If the blade you're playing is helping you win - then doesn't matter how many or what blade are you using.
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blahness
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Rofl this made my day
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bokai
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I know a couple of people who have certain bats for their opponents. I think it just becomes a mental case of feeling more 'safe' with the setup. I have 4 of the same bat, one with anat handle, another with a changed handle and 2 flared handles with one being shorter than the other. They all feel different to play with from my main!
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Simas
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Drop here! +1 imho you should adjust your gameplay to the opponent, not your racket... cause eventually you will need a whole lot of rackets :)
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That's not exactly true. For example: A friend of mine is learning forehand mechanics (he has a technically sound backhand, but is struggling to execute the foot then hip to hip weight transfer to create forehand topspin). His short term goal is to develop forehand topspin. When he plays with his Joola Carbon blade with a fast tensor, his forehand becomes passive and defaults to safe, placement blocking to keep the ball on the table. Against his regular opponents, he wins more points as his caution makes him more consistent, in spite of the fast equipment. When he plays with his Grubba All+, he is forced to use his feet and hips to generate power, and can execute in game what he practices drilling. He more frequently creates active forehand topspin. If his goal is to improve, the faster Joola Carbon works against his development.
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bokai
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Well said! Ive never been a fan of carbon blades. I find that you cant trust them once your in high pressure moments such as 9-9 or something. You tense up then lose control of the blade. I know alot of people around my club using carbon blades and once they r under pressure they can not control their shots thus mistakes climb up. I also find carbon blades to have literally no gears in their shots. Always same speed.
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Leftstudio
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why blame equipment when it comes to tight situation? it sounds like weak confidence that steps in the way. Also if you rely on the blade and hope it will do the job for you - then I think you need to stop reading those reviews and start training more.
Trust your training.
Edited by Leftstudio - 12/30/2019 at 2:43pm |
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