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Pie0792
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Posted: 06/11/2022 at 4:48pm |
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Hi! I need some advice, recently I just discovered that the DONIC Bluegrip c2 uses a new technology called “c-touch” developed in Germany by ESN tensor, I’ve already known the concept of an “euro hybrid” rubber but today I looked after the stiga dna dragon grip and it uses “c-touch” tensor technology, being the latest launched in mid 2021 and the c2 in q4-2020 . Does anyone know which other hybrids uses this latest generation “c-touch” tensor technology? It has an special “logo” and couldn’t find any information about that… btw does anyone know if the xiom omega VII china guang uses this technology?
Maybe we can make a list 🏓🙌🏻 Edited by Pie0792 - 06/12/2022 at 4:02pm |
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Maybe Tibhar Hybrid K3?
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It's another fancy-futuristic name to draw the attention of potential buyers. Sometimes, cardboards rubbers are plenty of stupid icons to impress you but in the end there's nothing really noticeable between rubbers from one brand to another since all are made in the same factory....
If I were you I would pay attention to that thing. Don't be another victim of marketing. |
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What is this C-touch anyway? To me it means it's sticky.
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mmm it seems that c-touch tensor are only 55 degree sponges. Bluegrip c2, stiga dna and the most recent jekyll and hyde from xiom, they had the c-touch logo at the bottom right, except the H one which stands for “hybrid touch” but they are 47.5 to 52.5 degree so maybe there’s something customized about that…like the donic bluestar coming in late August, tibhar k3 is 53 degree… for being more accurate c-touch is 2.3mm sponge + thin topsheet with high density small pimple structure combo
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Mmm it seems that c-touch tensor are only 55 degree sponges. Bluegrip c2, stiga dna and the most recent jekyll and hyde from xiom, they had the c-touch logo at the bottom right, except the H one which stands for “hybrid touch” but they are 47.5 to 52.5 degree so maybe there’s something customized about that…like the donic bluestar coming in late August, tibhar k3 is 53 degree… for being more accurate c-touch is 2.3mm sponge + thin topsheet with high density small pimple structure combo
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Maybe 🤔
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Actually I use butterfly equipment. But when I looked after ESN rubbers that was a surprise for me. Tried c2 and feels like a hybrid… I know that strictly talking an hybrid could be victas vjc07 sticky or Victas tde but its high tension rubber system and technologies are very difficult to understand. So I would choose an esn tensor over that options
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C-TOUCH. NO MYSTERY AT ALL.
It feels c-lammy, very grippy topsheet made in c-hina. Be happy. https://www.donic.com/media/Blaetterkataloge/DONIC/DE/index.html#page_30 Edited by igorponger - 06/12/2022 at 5:25am |
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Zwill
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But the C2 and C1 seem to have small and thin pimples and thick topsheet. They kind of remind me of the old 729 FX supersofts.
Edited by Zwill - 06/12/2022 at 5:11am |
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Bluegrip C2 is my main rubber, I have also a Bluegrip C1. It's just marketing, don't fall into it. Great rubber for sure, it plays more like a tensor than a chinese rubber. Stickiness is okay, it can lift up the ball for ~0.5 sec, but it is hugely dependant on the ball. With Nittaku 3* and Victas 3*, the ball sticks to the rubber, but with some other balls like DHS, BTY, etc, it doesn't stick at all...
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Maybe, but it seems like something more
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Have you tried stiga dragon grip? K3? Xiom omega 7 china guang? Maybe to compare them
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Have helped a friend of mine getting cut his rubbers and it seems like the opposite… thick sponge and thin topsheet 🤔
Edited by Pie0792 - 06/12/2022 at 4:15pm |
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Mmm DONIC is made in Germany like all esn tensor rubbers.. topsheet also made in Germany.
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Edited by Zwill - 06/12/2022 at 3:48pm |
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you can compare pimple structure on this website: https://www.guoqiuhui.net/Home/Goods/details/goods_id/3064
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Not at all. I've tried Victas Triple Double Extra, Xiom Tau 2 and Donic Bluegrip C2 is more on the tensor side than the other two. If you want maximum stickiness but don't want to boost, go for Victas Triple Double Extra. C-touch is only a marketing scam. It doesn't make any sense, Donic, Xiom, Andro... they are all made in the same factory: ESN. Therefore, they use the same technology for every brand.
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Thanks! How does victas TDE compare to Bluegrip c2? Which one have a more pronounced arc? Which one has more “kick” when touching the table? And finally… Does victas TDE have high tension topsheet? I’ve searched across the web and couldn’t find anything related to that. Thanks in advance!
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Totally understood! How does Bluegrip c2 compared to rasanter r47?
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Nice! Really appreciate your help!
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Bluegrip C2 has a very high arc and TDE has a medium-low arc. With TDE it's better to stick at the table, whereas with the C2 you can play away from the table. About the kick, I don't know, but TDE is a bit spinnier imo. About the High tension topsheet, I suppose it has one since you don't need to boost it.
I've also played with Rasanter R47 before, C2 isn't so different in feeling, it is obviously harder, better spin, but it's still a tensor made by ESN like R47. About the speed, I would say it's easier with R47 to create speed. Top end speed is about the same, maybe more for R47.
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Thanks for all the detailed information! Really appreciate that!
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And how about TDE compared to Tau 2?
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TDE is more on the chinese side, stickier, harder feeling. Tau 2 feels less chinese, a little bit more catapult effect and a bit higher arc. But the two rubbers have a medium to medium-low arc.
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