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pimpmyracket
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Posted: 02/14/2007 at 3:54pm |
What kind of training is best for increasing arm speed? When watching Wang Liqin and Timo Boll, it's amazing how fast their arms can move in a forehand loop. What kind of training is best for this?
Muscle training, doing many reps of light weights? Maybe doing lots of loop strokes with a heavy racket, or a weight? |
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light weights lots of reps...thats why most tt players arent buff... |
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Armspeed is a combination of maximum arm strength training and natural ability. This means that you can only increase your armspeed to a certain genetically predetermined maximum. It's the same with boxing and 100m dash. Joe average can train as much as he likes to but he'll never run the 100m below 10 seconds or ever have a KO punch like Mike Tyson.
The best way to train your armspeed in TT is by simply playing TT and going for maximum arm speed. One of the best ways to do this is playing against good defenders with a very heavy chop or relooping topspin rallies. Much of this is technique though. It's not only the arm, it's waist and legs in the first place. |
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Good Point there YATTP!
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varghesep
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I'm struggling with this problem also. In my understanding the power is generated from arm, forearm (there is dispute on this between chineese coaches and other country coaches), waist and how fast you hit. I do loop, but I can effectively use the whole system only one out of 4 strokes - I have seen those loops have tremendous power. Practice, Practice and Practice. Don't take too much weight, play more and train your muscles. |
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pimpmyracket
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While I agree there's a max potential that is different for everyone, I also believe that anyone who gets proper technical training and proper strength training can be very, very good. But I have to disagree that the best method is just to keep playing and swinging your hardest. There must be an exercise regiment that is more beneficial than just playing and swinging your hardest. So far it looks like low-weight, high-repetition exercises would be the best. |
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Yeah I've noticed that Wang Liqin's loop stroke seems to not use any forearm motion; it's pretty much purely the whole arm (shoulder pivot) and torso. Watching the "BIGPOINTS2006 (part1)" video in this thread, I see that: - Wang Liqin uses no forearm swing at all - Timo Boll uses a little bit of forearm, starting with an open angle of 100-degrees, and ending at about 80-degrees - Gao Ning and Oh Sang Eun use more forearm, starting with an open angle of about 160-degrees, and ending at about 90-degrees To clarify, a straight arm has an open angle of 180-degrees, and a right-angle (forearm is perpendicular to bicep/tricep) is 90-degrees. In the last point of that video (Wang Liqin vs. Wang Hao), you'll see how blisteringly fast Wang Liqin's arm moves. That's the clip that really got me thinking. And if he decided to incorporate even 60-degrees of forearm swing, I figure he could add even more noticeable power, unless my understanding of the mechanics is incorrect. |
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Good points. Also, the time it takes your eyes to focus, coordinating those movements, and not using brute force. And a huge overlooked factor is confidence.
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The reason Wang Liqin doesn't need a forearm snap is because he swings into the ball so that his bodyweight is behind it, much more reliable way of getting power. Wang Hao and all the new generation of Chinese players do it as well.
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Guys dont just look at the arm swing. The drive of the top player starts at the ankles!
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it depends mostly on ur balance and how well u r watching the ball.if u can balance urselve from the start till the end of a shot u will see ur arm speed is much better and the rithm will be good also.look at kong for both.wang tao also very good.also u can watch inside out shots of a jpen player to see the balance through out the shot
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simple. use a lighter racket. there are a lot of lightweight blades and rubbers out there now.
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get yourself a weighted training blade. they are around $30 .they are around 500 grams .I use one just practice your natural swing in front of a mirror for 30 minutes a day.
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For big power looping u need the bodyweight..
for re looping u need the quik arm snap.
do lots of light reps very quickly.
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All of you are correct.
Quick arm snap is one style. The whole idea is to transfer the whole body power into the ball at the right timing. It is similar to a golf swing or a tennis swing with a minor difference. need to find the perfect timing. it is not easy task. |
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A heavy training racket sounds good. I think I'll give that a try.
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All the people with short arm uses alot of underarm, and wrist(at least Timo Boll). But not people like Zoran Primorac. |
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I think you should practice strokes underwater.
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