CREATING MORE SPIN

* Did you ask your friend how he could do that, how he trained to do that?

contact point is more important ! try to contact the top part of your blade

 

Very good point there pimpmyracket.

The faster you brush your racket across the the ball, the more spin it's going to create.  For spin, it's going to be mostly wrist movement.

I use to have that problem. But you have to make sure you paddle is more flat. And when you swing use your forearm. use a bit of wrist.

ok no problem lol weekdayhacker.

thx guys for the comments. so illl try that scooping motion for backspin, btw i switched rackets, froma dotec to a donic persson impulse, hence the head is much wider than say a primorac carbon.

but yeh ill try to relax the wrist, and do i whipping motion.

I also am having trouble with serves.  I only have two a back spin and a sidespin.   I guess, were saying that contact point is key right?

I've been working on service lately so here is one amateur's opinion.

On pure forehand backspin serves, some points to experiment with, first is simple, but be sure to check it:

1) keep surface of paddle parallel to floor.  Lots of people say this, so for a long time I thought I ok; but sometimes it feels totally like you're parallel, but you're actually not!  I realized have a tendency to let the tip droop down, meaning I contact more in under / sidespin combo on the side of the ball facing me on toss.  To compensate I force myself to point the tip a little bit towards the ceiling as I contact for backspin - this actually winds up being parallel - and spin is noticably improved.  Having someone inspect your serve carefully, or taping yourself and looking, is a good way to verify how parallel you really are.  Incidentally, experimenting with service with the tip pointing a little up might surprise you!

second is a little more tricky; there is a great article on this somewhere on line, but I've forgotten the reference, maybe somebody knows:

2) in theory, the ideal contact point is IN FRONT of the ball - the side facing your opponent.  Coming underneath the ball and traveling forward and up on the front will maximize your spin and keep the ball short.  In practice, this is very hard,  and you might have to start behind the ball to give it a little forward motion.  But using bat face parallel to floor is a good start, get UNDER and IN FRONT of the ball as much as you can, and see how this improves your spin and keeps it short.  Also, grazing underneath parallel will do less to drive the ball into the table - when you hit downwards and forward from behind the ball (common attempt at backspin), some of the spin is neutralized as the ball skids on the table on your side, you gotta keep that spin for the opponent to deal with! Aside: This is one technique for deception - using a spinny motion, but driving the ball more from behind, into the table, so it comes across with less spin.  Varying contact point on paddle, from tip to closer to the paddle, is another.

3) wrist is important, but as with all TT strokes, don't forget to use rest of body.  Bend your knees and extend a little on contact - this gives you a little upward force (when coming in front of the ball), and is more deceptive as most opponents (at my level at least) are just focusing on arm + contact point.  turn your torso too; turn away on windup, hiding the paddle, and turn in (towards opponent) on contact, this lets you move your arm more slowly, giving more control, while maintaining the same speed.  Moving your arm slowly at this point is good; use just torso and focus on wrist motion, with a slow arm motion on windup that looks the same for all types of serves.

Now get a friend and go practice!

Just keep practicing, eventually you'll get the feel for the movement.

serves need wrist action... also the closer to the top of the racket u make contact with the ball as ur snapping the more spin, as opposed to hitting the ball in the middle of the racket... this is key, but also takes lots of practice to do consistently

chronos wrote: What I am curious is how do most people achieve pure underspin as part of pendulum service motion (if at all)?  Or in that case, is it always a mixture of side under, or side top?  because to do pure under, it seems you have to abort out of the pendulum and graze along underneath the ball (not that this is bad, I see Chila for example do it in matches)

Yeah for pendulum serves you generally make side-underspin and side-topspin, not pure underspin or topspin.

But you could do the pendulum perfectly horizontally which would make pure underspin.