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vivleien 
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Hello Greg,
good idea to share this. If you want to look at a very good player doing this "merged" serve, watch some Oh Sang Eun match. He's really the best at it I think. (other players also add reverse motion at the end of there serves, but this is only for deception. I thinnk Oh use quite the same motion every time, exept on backspin serves maybe) |
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 7:37am |
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Greg
watched your serves, surprised you dont have a bag of balls. Get much better rhythm if you have plenty. I find one of those ball pick up tubes is useful too if you have a lot of balls to serve |
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priior
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 9:23am |
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nice floors! pretty dark stain job.. beautiful :)
i'm nowhere near being a top level player.. however.. why not learn the reverse pendulum serve without the regular pendulum fake until the contact is mastered.. and the different backspin/sidespin/topspin combos are mastered.. then introduce the pendulum fake to it? or is it better to start practicing a new serve with the fake? (genuine question - not trying to be a wiseass.. my reversependulum serve starts with my hand behind me back.. almost) i saw u twiddling in ur video a few times.. what is ur black side? a kind of antipower? or short pips? very nice games. |
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DTopSpirit
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 9:26am |
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Hi Cole - it's not easy to see, but I'm using my third finger to increase the wrist snap - my fingers are actually loosened on the handle to allow the kind of movement you are talking about, with the middle finger moving around on the handle to help snap the blade. That's also why I'm developing blisters on my middle finger - it's not used to the movement. Greg |
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 9:29am |
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I do my practice at home, with about 60 balls in a bucket, serving into my robot nets and falling into another bucket. Then just swap buckets. The videos are taken at the my state training centre, which looks nicer than my home table.  Greg |
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 9:33am |
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I have mastered the reverse pendulum serve, and the normal forehand pendulum serve, with different spin combos. It's the faking part at contact that's damn hard and making me feel like a beginner again. You can check out my normal forehand pendulum serve and reverse pendulum serves at my basic strokes page - at http://tabletennis.about.com/od/basicstrokes/a/basicstrokes_ov.htm So yes, I'm now trying to introduce the pendulum fake to serves I can already do competently. In those videos, I was using TSP Curl-P2 medium pips with 1.0 sponge. These days I am using Stiga Destroyer OX long pips with better results. Greg |
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 1:09pm |
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Got it to work this time, thanks.
Just looked at the two first set's and they way Simon played in the first set I'm glas I wasn't on the receving end of that. Noticed that you like me tend to cover your Fh corner when tha ball popped up. Simon attacked to the Bh which is rather rare judging from my experience. Quite an improvment on your behalf for the second set. I'm now about to enjoy the rest of the match, thanks again for shareing! |
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Wawaicetea123
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the videos you have of your self are not working ion your tt page i tryed th pword and it didnt work is it possible to make it a direct linkt o windows media player?
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DTopSpirit
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Posted: 04/24/2007 at 8:45pm |
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The username and password are both gttp4 (case sensitive). They've been up for a long time and still seem to be working OK to me. You might want to give it another try. Greg |
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tonycl
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Posted: 04/26/2007 at 7:10pm |
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Ma lin uses quite often no spin serves and fools a lot of top class players.
I am a penholder, and in my prime I use it often. The idea is to wait for the ball to get back and focus on 3rd ball - in fact this should be the prime objective of all services, including so called suicidal, the more sucidal, the less prepared your opponent can be too.
A few chinese shakehand players do no spin serve too. The 2 most commonly use is underspin or no spin. no spin some times is the same as up spin (I didn't want to use the word top spin)
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kenneyy88
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Posted: 04/26/2007 at 10:31pm |
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Nice, you actually did pretty well against gerada. In the beginning he seemed to be very relaxed.
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DTopSpirit
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Posted: 05/02/2007 at 12:09am |
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Week 2 Update on learning the new serve - at http://tabletennis.about.com/od/howtoserve/a/learn_a_serve_2.htm Cheers, |
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Wawaicetea123
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Posted: 05/02/2007 at 9:32am |
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yea i have tryed but they are not working on my computer it says that the file is blocked even when i out in the pasword its ok dont worry about it =]
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checkmilu
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Posted: 05/03/2007 at 1:04pm |
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your serves are still too long & too high, mostly top spin 9the ball jump forward after hitting the other side of the table so it can be killed. try more: lower, shorter, and with bach spin (at least bounce twice and the ball may comes back so that your opponents can not attach your serves), good work
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checkmilu
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Posted: 05/03/2007 at 1:05pm |
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sorry "so that your opponents can not attack"
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Joo Se Kev
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Posted: 05/03/2007 at 2:57pm |
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heh, this thread is hilarious...
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fatcomet
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Posted: 05/04/2007 at 1:45am |
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really? i thought he wanted his opponents to be able to crush his serves...
 i know most of the responses are meant well but this deserves one big HUHEEZ |
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DTopSpirit
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Posted: 05/09/2007 at 1:13am |
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OK - Week 3 Update of learning the serve. http://tabletennis.about.com/od/howtoserve/a/learn_a_serve_3.htm Greg |
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kmh888
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Posted: 06/09/2007 at 1:52pm |
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not bad.. |
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tonycl
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Posted: 06/16/2007 at 3:53pm |
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hi
just an advice
focus on Service then 3rd ball placement - get a practise partner to return your service
If your service works
yes - you won points easily
no - what will you tackical plan be
when i was in training, we had to do 4 types of service, based on placement - 2 x long and 2 x short in both down the line and cross court angles. 1 hour of service a day for 5 days a week. (put objects on the place you want to aim for - once the ball lands on the object it will fly out - all your balls need to fly out)
Then use that in practise matches. my focus was on no spin and underspin - as a penholder that wins me a lot of points
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