Short Pip

liXiao wrote: I've heard that 802-40 is like the SPINNIEST pip out there~

I find my Moristo SP is surprisingly spinny too... serves with it are so spinny it is as good as inverted...  It is quite loopable too...

The only thing I dun like with mine is that it feels like it bottom out a bit too often / too quickly... but I guess that is how SP are supposed to be like and I am just not used to it...

liXiao wrote: Well some pips (802-40, and CLippa) I have heard play exactly like inverted almost.

Most close to inverted is:
1. Komann Winning NP-8 short pips
2. Friendship 729 802-40

For hitting/blocking/pushing, go with Spectol~

Has anyone used Speedo of Butterfly?  How is it compared to 802-40 and CLippa?

Now how do you guys feel about a 2.3-2.5 mm sponge for pips, lets say 889 pips.

If I'm using the term "brush loop" correctly (which I may not be), a brush loop is when:
(1) your racket moves very close to the tangent of the motion of the ball (sorry for the abstract definition), and
(2) the angle of the racket matches the angle of the motion that you're swinging the racket.

For example, let's say the ball is coming towards you: initially it was coming diagonally upward as your opponent looped it, then it went down to the table, bounced back up, passed the peak of the bounce and started dropping, and at this instant that you intend to make contact with the ball, it is travelling at 45 degrees downward from the horizontal. A brush loop would be looping it at 46 degrees upward from the horizontal. The tangent at that point is 45 degrees upward or downward, same thing in this case, and so to loop at the sharpest angle is to get as close to 45 degrees as possible. At exactly 45 degrees you won't make contact with the ball, at 46 degrees up you will barely make contact.

And so at 46 degrees you have a very sharp loop, and I think this is a brush loop. In reality it will probably be 2-5 degrees from the trajectory of the ball, not just 1 degree.

And with short pips, you really can't do a loop at that sharp an angle and get any meaningful grip out of it, the ball just slides off. But if you change your angle to maybe 80 degrees up from the horizontal, and also apply more force forward, then you can get solid enough contact to loop with short pips. Not as spinny as looping with inverted, but still fairly spinny and fast.

So there are two factors in brush looping vs. short pip looping.

Brush Loop:
- close angle, very close to the trajectory of the ball, eg. 45 degree ball motion, 47 degree swing
- the racket moves exactly along the angle of the racket. So if you're hitting at 47 degrees, then your racket is also traveling at 47 degrees. If you're angling the racket straight up, then you swing straight up.

Pips Loop:
- To hit a ball traveling 45 degrees downward from the horizontal, you must angle your racket around 80 degrees upward from the horizontal, a large difference in angle of the racket and trajectory of the ball. This will give you more solid contact, the ball will sink in deeper and get the grip it needs
- Also, instead of swinging the racket at the same angle that you're angling the face of the racket, you have to change the motion to a more forward motion to get even more grip. So if you're angling the racket at 80 degrees upward from the horizontal, you should move the racket at about 45 degrees above the horizontal, whereas in a brush loop you would move at the same angle as the face of the racket.
- Combining these two factors gives you a sort of half-hit and half-loop, giving you more solid contact with the pips, and giving enough grip to produce a medium spinny ball as a loop. Whenever I brush loop with short pips (tried 802-40 and 802), the ball just slips off. You need more solid contact to get significant spin.

i couldn't find a proper topic, and i dont want to open a new one so i'll post it here:

http://www.pipfacts.info/content/view/21/

Hilarious i think:D:D:D HAHA:D

Komann Winning NP-8 in 2.0mm & 1.2mm, I have for sale. Only $15 each including shipping ...

you can try Donic Baxter F1, superb speed and control..