How to move from 1500 USATT rating to 1800?

fatt wrote: dimitris wrote: T h e N A M wrote: fatcomet wrote: better yet, beat one 1800 player and dont play anyone else under 1800 '   you'll be 1550 if you beat one player who is higher than 1800...     depends how much higher... I believe you can get more than 150 points if the player is above 2000 and you are 1500. So beating a 2500 or so player most probably would bring you above 1800...   you can't get more than 75 points from a rating change to another. When that happens you get "adjusted".   The max points you can make in one match is 50 points. look at more details on http://www.usatt.org/ratings/ratingsprocess.html   say in a tourney you do:   matches won + 50 +30 +25 + 10 + 10 +10 = 135 matches lost  -8 -8 -10 -25  = -51   total = 84 (>75) so you get adjusted (see formula).     But now if you get   matches won +30 +25 + 10 + 10 +10 = 85 matches lost  -10 -3 = -13   total = 72 (<75) you do not get adjusted and process every result against your actual rating.

Then how do you explain this:

http://www.ratingscentral.com/EventDetail.php?EventID=2972#P21075

EDIT: Actually if you read the link you sent me more carefully, you will see why this is possible... In any case, my statement still holds.

dimitris wrote: fatt wrote: dimitris wrote: T h e N A M wrote: fatcomet wrote: better yet, beat one 1800 player and dont play anyone else under 1800 '   you'll be 1550 if you beat one player who is higher than 1800...     depends how much higher... I believe you can get more than 150 points if the player is above 2000 and you are 1500. So beating a 2500 or so player most probably would bring you above 1800...   you can't get more than 75 points from a rating change to another. When that happens you get "adjusted".   The max points you can make in one match is 50 points. look at more details on http://www.usatt.org/ratings/ratingsprocess.html   say in a tourney you do:   matches won + 50 +30 +25 + 10 + 10 +10 = 135 matches lost  -8 -8 -10 -25  = -51   total = 84 (>75) so you get adjusted (see formula).     But now if you get   matches won +30 +25 + 10 + 10 +10 = 85 matches lost  -10 -3 = -13   total = 72 (<75) you do not get adjusted and process every result against your actual rating.         Then how do you explain this: http://www.ratingscentral.com/EventDetail.php?EventID=2972#P21075 EDIT: Actually if you read the link you sent me more carefully, you will see why this is possible... In any case, my statement still holds.

Honestly, pushing a few more balls back into play will get you to 2000 easily. At the club level unforced errors outnumber winners by the dozens. Of course, you'll have to know what you're doing to execute it, but most players after a few years of consistant drilling will get there.

Maybe when you're playing the other players of your level, work on drilling more than playing, or at least some.

FireHorse wrote: ]In order to have a control loop,�it seems like�I have more muscle tension than the power loop, is it right?� Or I just need to be relaxed on both?� Which strokes that need more muscle tension, and which strokes need to be relaxed? � Thanks! � FireHorse

For tt muscles should always be as relaxed as possible, if you actually have more muscle tension when doing a shot with less power than when doing it with more power I would think it is because you are doing it in a way you are not familiar/comfortable with.

If you are just asking if that is the way it should be the answer is no, there should be no more muscle tension either way.

Having relaxed muscles is a key factor in improving BOTH control and power. It is much easier to accelerate loose/soft muscles than it is to accelerate stiff/tense muscles. Further, if your muscles are loose/soft, by extension your racket should also "be soft"; a win win here.

Example: for the fh loop the great majority of power (energy) should be provided by the legs and hips, and the arm and hand is merely the line with which the energy is to be transmitted to the ball. The more flexible the line is the easier it is for the power to be transmitted, much like a whip, a little action at the base of the whip results in a lot of energy at the tip. If the whip was stiff, much less energy would be transmitted to the tip.

And Cole (above) makes a good point which is applicable to many of us!

I totally agree with FATT about READING and SERVING the ball. Most of 1500 player level lost the game, because they can't return the serve, and 1800 level vs. 1500 level is always win by serve. So if you want increase your level from 1500 to 1800. you need improve reading and serving the ball first.

TTHOUSTON wrote: I totally agree with FATT about READING and SERVING the ball. Most of 1500 player level lost the game, because they can't return the serve, and 1800�level vs. 1500 level is always win by serve. So if you want increase your level from 1500 to 1800. you need improve reading and serving the ball first.

I'm not sure if this is the main difference between 1500 and 1800, but it's certainly one of my problems. I seem to win on my serves, but against high level players it's more likely I misread or NOT read the opponents serve and lose the point. I do very well against 1500 level players, usually get edged out by 1700 level players, and I'm happy when I force an 1800 level player into his "A-Game" to beat me up. I'm right there with you . . .

COACHING, I'm sure, will help much more than buying more rubbers and blades that are too fast and too expensive. Keep in mind, this advice is coming from the EJ Madman himself!!!

I posted my video to let other members rate me. They said I'm 1400 player. So if I want to become an 1800 player, here's what I'm going to do:

1. Improve my footwork
2. Improve my serves and returns
3. Improve my backhand loop
4. Improve shot consistency
5. Improve tactics

How am I suppose to do that?

1. Practice
2. Get a coach (optional)
3. Play against better players
4. Build self-confidence

Sometimes I play really good that I beat 1800 player. If I can't beat them.. I just give them a good fight.

peds

peds wrote: 1. Improve my footwork 2. Improve my serves and returns 3. Improve my backhand loop 4. Improve shot consistency 5. Improve tactics How am I suppose to do that? 3. Play against better players

1. For Footwork, lower your stance. Doing drills like falkenberg will help.
2. Practice to serve more, when your serves is getting better you will have a general idea of what people put on their serves, because you can do the same serves too..
3. Backhand loop is really tricky, you may want to practice it but not put too much effort to integrate it into your game, cause it can screw your game up, believe me, i did that twice!!
4. Consistency = Drills+drills+drills
5. Good one, sometimes you can win again better players when you play smarter than them..

Playing against better players are good to keep track of your progress, but if they are really good, they can shut you out so you cannot play your game at all. When you can't play your game, it's difficult to improve yourself.
Playing consistently and beating those about your level will help. Once you know you can beat them you can try new things when you play them and that will give your game more dimension. When you can consistently beat and improve while playing against those on your level. You will get better against those better than you..