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 Topic: What is the best ready position for PENHOLDER?Posted: 06/10/2009 at 1:31am |
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I'm back to trying penholder, but I'm never sure what position to come back to in-between shots. Any help would be appreciated. I seem to either be fumbling to find a good FH position after flipping from the BH or hanging on the FH and unable to get to the BH.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 1:51am |
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like jean michel saive lol!!!
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:09am |
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wow,I like this forum.. questions in my mind are asked before I even think about it :o
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:41am |
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It depends on your style. If you are slow and clumsy watch Chiang Peng-Lung. If you are fast and fit watch RSM. No one can give you a better answer than these two.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 11:44am |
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I'm not sure if I should go to a neutral straight down position or be horizontal and set for BH block, then flip over and turn for each FH.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 12:20pm |
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With shake, the bat pointing at where the ball is expected to come from gives the shortest path to be in position for either side. The players that tend to favor a position that favors backhand, will tend to take more balls backhand that "could" have been taken with the forhand.
I would think Pen would follow the same pattern. Bat straight down would give the quickest move to either side.  |
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:00pm |
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In my opinion, the advantage of penhold lies in the less restrictive wrist movement. You will need to constantly change your grip between bh and fh to take full advantage of it, especially if you do traditional topspin pushes. Loosen the grip a little if you have problem switching between bh and fh. For fh, your thumb and middle finger (ring and pinky in a lesser extend) provides the clamping force. Your index finger should be relaxed so not to hamper your ability to quickly adjust blade angles. For bh, your index finger and the middle finger clamp the blade. You should loosen your thumb a little so it is easier to adjust the blade angle for your pushes and blocks with your thumb.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:13pm |
Although I don't point my blade down at ready, I saw some higher level players do and some don't. So I don't know if there is an advantage to do either. Some actually do both, pointing down when receiving serves and horizontally after the opening loop. |
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:35pm |
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I just played with a CPEN player who swears keeping the blade in the horizontal BH position is the way to go and adjust for FH. I'm not sure which is better. I just want to start without getting into bad habits. Continued thanks for all the advise . . .
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:47pm |
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I think a close to the table battle would favor a return to bat down position. Not enough time to go from horizontal to forhand.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:54pm |
You have a good point. BTW, do you remember Cho's ready position? I wish I paid more attention. For other members . . . he was the ex-pro we played with several times during the Winter. |
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 4:25pm |
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I can't remember for sure but I am sure I never saw him get caught on the wrong wing. And he never "chicken winged" one. It might seem like a short distance from backhand to forhand but when the play gets fast as in a close to the table counter war, it is about three miles if you guess wrong. Watching that 10 year old girl in multiball training, a return to neutral position was used no matter how fast the coach fed balls. When it got REAL fast, she still "went through" the return position on the way to the ball.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 4:29pm |
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Anyone out there disagree with HOOK?
Please speak now or forever hold your peace because I'm about to start training. :-). |
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 4:41pm |
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I will modify my post a little. How can a pen guy chicken wing? By blocking on the forhand instead of looping like he would have if he got there in time. Not a true chicken wing but equivalent.
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 10:24pm |
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I can chicken wing with penholder by keeping the BH position and hitting a shot to my FH side. b-b-b-b-gawk!
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Posted: 06/10/2009 at 10:41pm |
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You mean a forhand RPB Tommy? That should take you up near Ma Lin just with the confusion factor.
 
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