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TBS9x
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Posted: 01/28/2010 at 10:52am |
Hey all
I've seen many tactics to beat choppers Maybe because we are so scary so that people have to find ways to beat us Nah, just joking, I can also learn from that. But anyway, are there are any specific tactics for choppers ? I've heard '' varying spin on your chops '', this can be done on the FH side where normally people use inverted rubbers, although its not easy to change from heavy backspin to no spin all the time but it's not possible, at least you don't depend on the spin of the opponent. However on the BH, I think most choppers use Long pips, how are they able to vary the spin there ??? I mean, it's not hard to increase the spin, even the opponent just roll the ball ( nearly no spin + not much speed ), every time you chop back you can impart a little amount of backspin => everytime they loop back they will need to impart a bit more topspin so you use that topspin to increase further your amount of backspin that could be generated with your pips. But seriously, maybe you can get wobble balls with blocking and hard ox pips but spinny long pips like tsp curl then how ? Can even Joo or Matsush*ta do this ? Sometimes my opponent just loop outside some of my BH chops, I think those chops aren't spinny at all or carry very little amount of backspin but I don't really get how I did that ? Please help me with the question. Many thanks ! |
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TBS9x
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Sorry I just realized that I posted this topic in the wrong place and I don't want to double post this so can MOD plz move it for me ? Thanks. ( at least I didn't post in equipment reviews or for sale :)) )
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Blade: Joo Se Hyuk
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firetack
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you can do a side swipe across the axis of the ball with your lp`s that can throw your opponent off sometimes.
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TBS9x
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You mean chopping with side spin ? Or block but swipe it across ? :D I do mix side spin into my chops but I want to know how to vary the amount of backspin =.=!
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Speedplay
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It depends on how fast you chop and the angle you use to chop with. A good chopper can easily create huge variation on his chops with a sponged LP, but it is a lot harder to do it with OX, since a lot of the spin comes from the sponge.
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ladiesman69
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IDK what he's talking about but if you want to generate less spin on your LP's can do a number of things. Your best bet would be to lock your wrist to reduce the spin you impart, go under the ball less than normal (more flat) or to essentially give a no spin ball you can do a chop action with a lot more forward movement than one normally would have.
Focus more on changing the direction of your stroke from a side-on-perspective. What I mean by that is imagine your normal chop as practically diagonal, then for heavy chop you might want a more curved motion like a skate ramp with lots of wrist.
This is exceptionally difficult to explain without drawings or any degree of prolixity so perhaps a similar motion to the above 'skate ramp', except you want a flatter racquet angle and also a longer, flatter follow through.
If you do this below the table it will be hard to identify and far more deceptive. You may also want to consider learning to twiddle when you chop. Joo Se Hyuk vs Wang Liqin at the Qatar Open 2009, he does an amazing twiddle. During a rally Joo takes a wide forehand where Liqin blocks it down to his backhand. The ball falls below the table as he comes in to chop it, and right before he chops he twiddles to his smooth side. Needless to say Wang Liqin netted the ball
He is extremely fast at twiddling and by the time his racquet is back within Liqin's line of sight his pimples are already on the backhand side.
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TBS9x
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Yes ! This is exactly what I needed. Thanks guys. So basically, changing speed of your chops and the angle ? Or twiddle ( I know this but don't really want to do, it's hard to chop with fh with LP and chop with BH with inverted rubbers I dont know why :)) )
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a23096713
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Why don't you just follow the most classic tactic of the chopper sometimes?
I also follow the rule... if you can't confuse him, wear his patience off. I do that on some of my matches. Sometimes, chopper's tactic is quite straight forward > Last one shot more than your opponent does. Besides twiddle, have you consider make your footwork even better to do counter loop from your backhand side? Sure it does offer the other person a chance for possible wide forehand. It also give you a chance for a point if you attack his wide forehand or he caught off guard. Attacker think we are easy to be figure out. The truth is, you can change the pace easier IF YOU CHOOSE to. If you can defend like a WALL, I do mean taking all the heaviest shots. You opponent would start to try something else to get point. That is when you take any of their mistake and make it your point. |
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tdragon
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I just found the nice Butterfly video of the chopper. I am not sure if it has been posted. Hopefully, it would help.
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TBS9x
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Thanks a lot for the advices and the video ;) Although the video seems to be focusing more on the FH chop...and I don't understand Japanese but the quality is so good :D
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ttkenny
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TBS9x,
The Chopper is Shibutani, he is a very famous chopper in Japan. There is a Butterfly blade named after him that is a good chopper blade as well. Kenny |
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benfb
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That is the coolest camera work I've ever seen for table tennis videos. Are there any more like that? I don't understand any Japanese, but it's awesome to watch anyway.
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a23096713
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Just to give some idea. The commentary was talking about the loop, loop drive. Moreover, how did Shibutani counter and move to keep his balance and getting ready for the next shot.
For those who are interested in see Shibutani in action, there is a video for Shibutani VERSUS Matsush*ta in Youtube somewhere. I need to search for it again. It was one of the greatest choppers battle I ever seen. EDIT: Found the videos Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvUDS9AOKKo Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMrw6TBe36c |
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Chop, Chop, and Counter Loop!
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Beer Belly
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Awesome videos cheers for the heads up!
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TBS9x
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I think I followed the advices and my game have improved quite a lot. But I would stick with spinny chops most of the time as it is much safer and then I just counter loop whenever its not a fast loop on my forehand or its only a slow loop or drop shop on my BH.
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Blade: Joo Se Hyuk
Stiga Boost TC Tibhar Grass Dtecs 1.6mm Video: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u-p2VHaiDk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7bHoFRj_oU -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYnqlW |
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