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LOOPMEISTER
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For what its worth, I think I have a bit of Euro looping style because I don't really swing with my whole arm, more of a compact stroke... But I also loop with the ball at about eye or shoulder level and I lower my legs to get to that position... A lot of the great euro loopers look as if they are contacting the ball lower than shoulder level, "shooting from the hip" you could say... (And their follow-through is at about the chin or lower.) I do that when I'm just hitting, but when I loop the ball has to be higher or my body lower, and my follow-through is at eyebrow level or above, even with a mostly horizontal swing.
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corsuse
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You listed some chinese players but what about Wang Hao's looping style? |
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Good question. He has a very unique style, he uses a wide variation of spin and power in his strokes, AND he has really short arms, so it would be hard for me to classify his style. But generally speaking, when he's hitting big loops, I would say he's got that sweeping, chinese-style stroke. |
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Wang Hao definately has Chinese strokes. Alot more standard looking than Ma Lin's. Much like Ma Longs... his strokes IMO are the best example... 80-90% of the time perfect followthrough very forward with the stroke starting below the ball.
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I am sorry if I confuse you about the drive and the loop. I am probably from an old school, but to me even though the kid's swing looks like a loop (swing upward bc he's too short lol), but the way the ball was hit on contact is still a drive to me, there is no force applied to the ball to spin it. Again, my apology about the terminology (English is not even my 1st language lol). For me a loop has to have some force to spin the ball. See the link below of some boys practicing FH loop, see how the comming ball has no under spin, so he has to stand back and wait for the ball to drop a little b4 he loops (and applies the force to spin it), otherwise it will pop up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3M_7DZda_s |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhYGUekF8Ms&feature=related And like I said, look closely. I doubt he is using chinese rubber. It surely doesn't look like any DHS or Haifu rubber. If you ignore Chuan Chih-Yuan's midtable to far table looping, his stroke is hybrid and looks more like the old chinese technique which was based off the euro stroke. It's hard to explain. Also, big swing does not necessarily mean chinese stroke. Would you say Kreanga has a chinese stroke? He extends his arms fully for his kill shots too. What I consider to be the most idealized Chinese technique is from WLQ which consist mainly of driving. There are of course nuances with a little more brushing but still chinese stroke. |
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Anton Chigurh
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Dammit, APW, we haven't acquired the skill you have! All we have is our theorizing, idealizing, and pontificating! Let us just nitpick and spout about "Chinese" and "Euro" loops from our ivory towers until we finally acquire an acceptable amount of skill. Then, we'll join you in poking fun at the silly newbies (like us) desperately trying to find validation and comfort in theoretical waxing. |
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I'm ROLFING at your interlect Anton, sorry dude I accept your critisism, You are a master of Forum, hats off to you! I Know my place, please don't think that I don't, because I really do. Sorry mate, but it all makes for good forum.
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I know, I know... Hopefully you saw my self-deprecation in that comment. I was making fun of myself, and not really "chastising" you. |
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Thanks Mark. That was pretty discerning stuff.
I only focused on the 45 degree angle swing plane that they seemed to use. Until folks here pointed it out, I hadn't realized that the kids were taking it earlier and Brian was letting it drop.
I thought they were both doing "top of bounce".
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+1!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Is the position of the racket something like that when Wang Hao is looping? Sorry for the funny picture . And if so where is the contact point with the ball? When the acceleration of the hit beggins and so on? |
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Curious
The "chinese" loop as you guys are calling it is actually NOT.
The folks that brought this loop int the picture where none other than the hungarians.
Joyner, Klampar, Gergley etc. The straight arm loop. Of course with the 38mm and the really great (and very toxic) speed glues, the hungarian loop was actually a hindrance due to the speed ofhe rallies. Wrong time, right form.
Fast Forward almot 30 years. Now that the game has slowed down somewhat. Righ time, Right form. ;)
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Agreed I've been trying this straight arm loop for a while but still got some problem with the ball going to my body, I need footwork to actually move myself to the left to give me a straight arm loop. And it's true that during the speed glue time, the straight arm loops would not be the best because of the speed but Wang Tao, Ma Wenge, Kong Linghui and especially Wang Liqin (Asian average heights for the formers and European height for the later) did the straight arm loop during the time of speed glue and dominated during their prime time. Wang Liqin now has to adjust his game to the non-speed glue rule. FireHorse |
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I don't know, I think those guys did pretty well in their own day! |
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I posted this in another thread but I am honestly curious as to the answer:
"I have a question: Where does the Korean Jpen forehand (think Lee Jung Woo and Ryu Seung Min) fall as far as strokes go? Would you consider it its own style? Or is it just Chinese? I like their forehands...so powerful " |
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+1
Adding to this, I also want to know what is the Hangbang Korean forehand I've heard all the time. Is it another technique?
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